2-Man Bobsled Racing

Ernest Sutton
@ernest-sutton
13 years ago
181 posts
It seems to me that what used to be some of the best racing on the Cup circuit, i.e. Daytona and Talladega, has degenerated to something that reminded me of 2-man bobsled racing. Besides this particular impression, Dale Earnhardt, Jr., was quoted as saying that he and Jimmie Johnson had a prerace agreement that he would stay committed and hopefully push Johnson to the win. Has the objective ofNASCAR racing declined so much that drivers are now committing themselves to 2nd place or worse? I always thought the definition of racing was to see who could get to the checkered flag first.
updated by @ernest-sutton: 04/01/17 03:45:29PM
Bumpertag
@bumpertag
13 years ago
363 posts

I loved the racing. I don't see how a "Race Fan" could not like the racing at Dega. 88 lead changes and lots of passing. This is so much better than the Pack racing from a few years ago. The closing rate made for great racing and a guess who would make it to the line first. My guess is that if Jr would have won it would have been OK. He never said that he would push Johnson to the win. They did agree to work together and take turns in the lead. Jr was the one that told Johnson the the 2 cars were faster with Johnson in the lead. Johnson ask JR in the last few laps if he wanted him to leave him room as they came to the flag but Jr said no. If the Johnson/Earnhardt tandum had gotten away from the others I'm sure Jr would have made a move, he didn'tgetthat chance.

I loved it and the racing was great. This is as close to single car racing as we are gonna get and I can handle that. Don't put them all in one pack, 3 and 4 wide with no room to pass and call it a race. That was a waste.

Bumpertag
@bumpertag
13 years ago
363 posts
The only thing I hated about the race weekend was the qualifing. 178 MPH is a joke at Talladega. They need to do something about that.
Ernest Sutton
@ernest-sutton
13 years ago
181 posts


Bumpertag said:

I loved the racing. I don't see how a "Race Fan" could not like the racing at Dega. 88 lead changes and lots of passing. This is so much better than the Pack racing from a few years ago. The closing rate made for great racing and a guess who would make it to the line first. My guess is that if Jr would have won it would have been OK. He never said that he would push Johnson to the win. They did agree to work together and take turns in the lead. Jr was the one that told Johnson the the 2 cars were faster with Johnson in the lead. Johnson ask JR in the last few laps if he wanted him to leave him room as they came to the flag but Jr said no. If the Johnson/Earnhardt tandum had gotten away from the others I'm sure Jr would have made a move, he didn'tgetthat chance.

I loved it and the racing was great. This is as close to single car racing as we are gonna get and I can handle that. Don't put them all in one pack, 3 and 4 wide with no room to pass and call it a race. That was a waste.

Ernest Sutton
@ernest-sutton
13 years ago
181 posts
There is something wrong with the picture when you have 88 lead changes at a track like Talladega. I'm not even sure what to call it or make of it, but it is certainly a far cry from what NASCAR racing used to be on these RP tracks. I'm not saying the pack racing was any better than the "2-man team' racing, but a recent NASCAR poll showed 75% of the responders disapproving of the most recent show. I don't even know what the answer is, but I believe it lies somewhere in the area of making the race cars a lot less aerodynamic.........thereby resulting in slower speeds and reduced quality handling characteristics. Maybe some changes in that area might also result in the drivers being unable to run "flat-out" at these tracks. My bottomline impression is that NASCAR has grossly over-engineered the sport............resulting in the "stock car" racing environment which we are witnessing today. Fortunately or unfortunately, dependingof point of view, I still remember the "good ole days" & I miss what the sport once was. I also understand there is no going back............but I do believe there are several things NASCAR could do to improve the picture.
Christopher Krul
@christopher-krul
13 years ago
119 posts
It was a great finish but I just miss the old days of packs of cars working to beat other packs. The fact that the drivers are plotting their moves on the radio and talking to other drivers kinda destorys the racing a little. Problem with NASCAR is they keep toying with stuff that was not broke to begin with be it the points system, thetrack configuration at Bristol andaero packages on the cars.The racing at Talladega and Daytona was fine why change the aero package?
Ernest Sutton
@ernest-sutton
13 years ago
181 posts
Everyone loves close finishes.................but you make a very good point when you say "NASCAR keeps toying with stuff that was not broke to begin with". In my opinion, there was not a lot wrong with the old points system - maybe they could have tweaked it a bit by awarding bonus points for winning and/orleading the most laps. Those kinds of rewards encourage drivers to actually race and try to win races. Isn't that why we watch and love racing - to see which driver(s) can do the best? The so-called "improvements" (how's that for an oxymoron?) have done nothing to improve the sport or the enjoyment of the fans. The "Chase" is a joke, the "lucky dog" isn't fair, the "top 35" rule isn't right and discourages participation by lightly financed teams, the COT is a NASCAR-manufactured race car - many safety innovations could have been put in place without going to that extreme, the recent changes in the fueling procedures (what was wrong with the old system?). These unnecessay changes have done nothing much except cost the teams more money. All of these things have occurred during the reign of Brian France - I have to believe that neither is daddy or his granddaddy would have approved much of this stuff. As for the race tracks, NASCARhas mandated changes that has only made the racing worse (Bristol, Daytona, Talladega). Those 3 tracks used to be some of the best racing of the whole series - not anymore. As I have stated before,NASCAR could aerodynamically slow the cars down on the RP tracks sothat they could get rid of the restrictor plates. That would encourage much more innovation amongst the teams and reward themore-talented drivers. I believe all of this over-engineering by NASCAR has resulted in lower attendance numbers and declining TV ratings - maybe someone in that thinktankmight want to reconsider some of these brilliant decisions.
Dave Fulton
@dave-fulton
13 years ago
9,137 posts
I actually switched over to a PBS broadcast during the Talladega race, something I have never done. And if Jimmie-boy didn't drop below the yellow line to advance his position, then my bifocals are worse than I thought. Then again, that yellow line rule is stupid.


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Ernest Sutton
@ernest-sutton
13 years ago
181 posts


Dave Fulton said:

I actually switched over to a PBS broadcast during the Talladega race, something I have never done. And if Jimmie-boy didn't drop below the yellow line to advance his position, then my bifocals are worse than I thought. Then again, that yellow line rule is stupid.
Not only is it stupid............no one can get NASCAR to give a definitive interpretation of specifically what it means or how it is enforced. Pk posted an article regarding this very rule which is very interesting...............more NASCAR smoke and mirrors.
Bumpertag
@bumpertag
13 years ago
363 posts

I can't believe my eyes. Some would rather have "Pack" racing??? That is not racing. The glory days of NASCAR at these tracks did not have pack racing. It was single cars racing against each other with the closing rate and the draft determining the outcome between 2 or maybe 3 cars. The present form of RP racings is very much like the glory days, only 2 cars running and plotting their moves. I wish they would run as individual cars but the teams today have learned too much to ever go back to that. This is as close as we will get.

Many lead changes, rapid closing rates. the draft, room to race and 8 cars within a split second for the win. Did I see a different race? From the stands it was great. I'm glad I can appreciate what I witnessed. To each their own I guess.

And Dave I agree, Jimmie touched the line. If that is a rule, it should be enforced for every team. Now on to the best track on the circuit, RICHMOND!!! Lets go racing.

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Dave Fulton
@dave-fulton
13 years ago
9,137 posts
Amen to that! Paul Sawyer knew what he wanted and he built it. RIR has had the best racing on the circuit since the day it opened in Sept. 1988. 2 & 3 cars wide and nose to tail all the way around - and it a'int drafting! A driver's track.

Bumpertag said:

Now on to the best track on the circuit, RICHMOND!!! Lets go racing.

Bumpertag




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Dave Fulton
@dave-fulton
13 years ago
9,137 posts

And here's a Tom Higgins piece worth repeating:

Davey Allison put his stamp firmly on Sawyer's new track

TOM HIGGINS SCUFFS By Tom Higgins - ThatsRacin.com Contributor Saturday, Sep. 11, 2010

It was a deeply touching triumph for Davey Allison 22 years ago at the new Richmond International Raceway. The young driver won the Miller 400 after receiving a surprise, inspirational phone call from his famous father, Bobby. That call in 1988 came just prior to the race on Sept. 11, a date destined to gain everlasting infamy 13 years later. The elder Allison, who very nearly lost his life in a crash on June 19 at Pocono Raceway, contacted his son from a hospital bed in Alabama, where the family lived. It was a secret this was going to happen, a delighted Davey, then 27, said of the call from his dad, whose brilliant racing career was ended by the Pennsylvania crash. Its neat. It means a lot. I miss him, and I think everyone else in the sport does, too. Hearing him gave me goose bumps all over. I had chills. The father-son Allison duo had opened the 88 Cup Series season by finishing 1-2 in one of the greatest Daytona 500s in history. Davey, then 27, was dominant at the three-fourth-mile Virginia track, leading 262 of the 400 laps, including the final 53. Driving a Ford fielded by Robert Yates Racing of Charlotte, the youthful-looking Allison beat the Chevrolet of runner-up Dale Earnhardt to the checkered flag by 3.25 seconds at the speedway. It wasnt as easy as it appeared, said Davey, who had started from the pole position after qualifying at 122.850 mph. This is a tough race track. I dont think anyone can come here and just go fast. However, Earnhardt conceded that Allison, the 1987 rookie of the year, was in control. We couldnt run with Davey, said Earnhardt, who led 77 laps. He just kept trucking on. Said Davey: As a driver, you want to be first in all the good statistics, so to win the inaugural race on this track is really special. Me and Robert and the guys on our team wanted it a lot. The D-shaped layout with wide, sweeping turns replaced the outdated Richmond Fairgrounds Raceway. The latter, a tight, guardrail-lined layout measuring .542-miles, had torn up tons of race cars and frayed a lot of tempers since 1953. At one time it was known as Strawberry Hill Speedway. Honest. The facility had become decrepit over the decades, to say the least. Immediately following the Pontiac 400 there on Feb. 14, 1988, razing of the place began so a new track could be constructed on the same site. Richard Petty, a 13-time winner on the old track, got out of his race car and onto a bulldozer to symbolically start the demolition. It became known as the night they tore old Richmond down. The Fairgrounds finale, incidentally, was won by Neil Bonnett, a close friend of the Allisons and fellow member of the storied Alabama Gang. With only seven months between Richmonds two Cup dates in 88, skeptics said a new racing layout and grandstands couldnt be completed on time. The doubters didnt know Paul Sawyer, a colorful, earthy, tough character and a veteran promoter who controlled the Virginia track. Sawyer willed that the work would be done. And, mostly, it was finished. Oh, a few things were left to be finished during race weekend. For example, I sat on a air-conditioner crate in the press box to file my stories for The Charlotte Observer leading up to race day. The chairs hadnt been delivered. But just as Paul Sawyer promised, the show got the green flag on schedule. Ive dreamed of this day, giving our great Virginia fans a track like this, said a delighted Sawyer. Theyre the best. Other promoters, like Charlottes Humpy Wheeler, agreed. Without fans from the Old Dominion, Humpy at the time, some tracks in the south might have to shut down. Spectators who came to Sawyers speedway obviously liked what they experienced. The sight lines proved exceptional and the action on the track was often side-to-side, offering plenty of room for passing. I cant build grandstands fast enough, Sawyer said as he added seating through the 1990s, eventually creating a stadium with capacity of 100,000 before selling his beloved track to International Speedway Corp. in 2003. Both Davey Allison and Paul Sawyer are gone now. Davey lost his life on July 13, 1993, in the crash of a helicopter he was attempting to land at Talladega Superspeedway. He had scored 19 Cup Series victories. Sawyer died on Feb. 27, 2005, at age 88. Somewhere, perhaps the two are sharing smiles and stories this weekend with racing rolling again at the Richmond track where they created great memories all those years ago.




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