Racing History Minute - October 19, 1952

Tim Leeming
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11 years ago
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I am very much enjoying writing these Minutes from way back in the day because it gives me an opportunity to refresh my memory of all the good things about Herb Thomas. Herb was truly a racer. Not sure he really knew anything else, or wanted to know anything else, he was that good. I remember meeting him once at Columbia Speedway when he was very, very dirty. He spoke to me, but I don't remember what he said but he was nice to me. I don't think he was so very sociable, just friendly enough to acknowledge a kid who tried to speak to anyone who drove a race car.

Sixty-one years ago this very day 29 of the good ole boys came to the half-mile dirt track in Martinsville, VA to race for 200 laps/100 miles. Perk Brown made a lap of 55.333 mph in a Hudson to capture the pole.Perk was an outstanding modified driver who had more than his share of mechanical issues in Grand National Competition. Herb Thomas, in his FABULOUS Hudson Hornet qualified second, Joe Eubanks in another Hudson third, and Fonty Flock broke up the Hudson sweep by qualifying his Oldsmobile fourth. Tim Flock put his Hudson in fifth.

Fonty Flock led the first three laps before Thomas went around him to lead for 3 laps. Then it was Flock for 5 laps and then Thomas again through Lap 37. Flock went back out front on lap 38 and was leading a close race when, on lap 72, Dick Rathmann put his Hudson out front. Rathman broke an axle on lap 173, after virtually being assured of victory, and it was Herb Thomas once again out front with Fonty Flock filling his mirror. The checkers dropped on Herb Thomas on lap 200 with Fonty Flock the only other car on the lead lap. It was Herb's 14th career victory and the 6th win in the 1952 season out of the 31 races run to date in 1952. Average speed for the race was 47.556 mph.

Two drivers suffered injuriesin separate incidents. Gene Comstock, six laps behind the leader at the time, rolled hisHudson twice on lap 152 andhe was transported to the local hospital with minor injuries. On the 12th lap, Jack Holloway broke an axle in his Plymouth and suffered a broken ankle in a severe crash.

Finishing Order:

1. Herb Thomas,FABULOUS Hudson Hornet, winning $1,000.00

2. Fonty Flock, Air Lift Olds 88, winning $700.00

3. Lee Petty, Petty Engineering Plymouth, winning $450.00 (1 lap down)

4. Tim Flock, Ted Chester Hudson, winning $350.00 (5 laps down)

5. Johnny Patterson, Lou Tanner Hudson, winning $200.00 (6 laps down)

6. Bill Blair

7. Julian Petty

8. Clyde Minter

9. Cotton Owens

10. Ralph Liguori

11. Ted Chamberlain

12. Ewell Weddle

13. Jim Paschal

14. C.L.Grant

15. Coleman Lawrence

16.DickRathmann

17. Clyde Pittinger

18. Donald Thomas

19. Gene Comstock

20. Bob Welborn

21. Bub King

22. Perk Brown

23. Fred Dove

24. Joe Eubanks

25. Jimmie Lewallen

26. Elton Hildreth

27. Buddy Shuman

28. LuckySawyer

29. Jack Holloway

Honor the past, embrace the present, dream for the future.




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What a change! It's been awhile since I've checked in and I'm quite surprised. It may take me awhile to figure it our but first look it's really great.


updated by @tim-leeming: 12/05/16 04:00:58PM
TMC Chase
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11 years ago
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Herb was way before my time. So hard for me to connect though I enjoy reading stories about him. Plus, my father-in-law's name is Herb. A retired accountant who has walked agonizingly slow for years. So it makes it doubly difficult for me to conjure images of a racing Herb. haha




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TMC Chase
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Race report from Spartanburg Herald .




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TMC Chase
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Julian Petty's car number in this race? Yep, number 43.

Pace lap with Perk Brown and Herb Thomas on front row.

Racing action between Fred Dove (138) and Johnny Patterson (58). As Tim noted, Patterson finished 5th. He raced a Hudson for owner H. B. Ranier. Hmm, could it be? Any relationship to Harry Ranier?




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updated by @tmc-chase: 10/18/17 12:05:46PM
Dave Fulton
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11 years ago
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These wonderful History Minute posts by Tim Leeming and the followup by members like TMC-Chase just open the floodgates to further research.

The name of 10th place finisher RALPH LIGUORI caught my eye. I knew the name, but couldn't place it. The Bronx, New York native, Liguori and I share a birthday. I turned 65 on October 10th and Ralph Liguori, now a Tampa, Florida resident with a racing grandson, Joe Liguori, turned 87!

Liguori was a dress designer in New York! His racing history makes for a fascinating story.

NASCAR's Bill France enticed Liguori to come south to race in his new Grand National series and billed him as "The Fayetteville Yankee" after he and his family settled in Fayetteville, North Carolina.

Liguori made 76 NASCAR Grand National starts and 1 Convertible division start between 1951-1956. His best finish was the third place he posted at the half-mile Wilson County (NC) Speedway dirt oval on May 9, 1954. The following week he drew the pole for the May 16, 1954 Martinsville GN event.

Liguori's dream was to race in the Indianapolis 500 and in 1957 he turned his attention to the USAC Gold Crown Champ cars. Between 1957-1970, he made 61 USAC Champ car starts, posting his best finish of 2nd in 1970 at the Indiana State Fairgrounds.

Ralph Liguori on the famed Williams Grove, Pennsylvania dirt oval in 1957 - uncredited photo

Kathy Seymour captured this shot of Ralph Liguori in later years

Although Liguori lived his dream of racing fast cars, he never qualified for the Indianapolis 500. He made six attempts, earning the nickname of "Ralphie the Racer" for his dedication. Liguori won a feature event at age 70 in midget competition.

Twenty years ago, in 1993, the late Shav Glick of the Los Angeles Times - one of tthe world's great motorsports writers - penned an outstanding piece about Ralph Liguori - "Ralphie the Racer." Here is that piece in the followup reply below:




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Dave Fulton
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11 years ago
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Term of Endearment : 'Ralphie the Racer' Is a Fixture at a Race He Never Drove

May 11, 1993 |

SHAV GLICK

LOS ANGELES TIMES STAFF WRITER

INDIANAPOLIS When an Indiana sportswriter dubbed Ralph Liguori "Ralphie the Racer" several decades ago, it was hardly a compliment.

Liguori, after all, was the answer to a trivia question: Who tried hardest to get in the Indianapolis 500 and never made it?

From 1959 to 1968 he came to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway from Tampa to make the race. He never made it to the starting line. He crashed three times, once in another race before the Speedway opened, knocking himself out of what was probably the best car he ever drove. Once his engine blew just as he was about to finish his refresher course.

Twice he put cars in the field that were bumped.

Ralphie the Racer never let frustration and failure get him down. He kept on racing, turning the derisive nickname around and making it one of endearment.

Last June, at 65, he became the oldest winner in a U.S. Auto Club-sanctioned race when he won a 50-lap midget main event at the Indianapolis Speedrome--a one-fifth mile asphalt oval--in his sixth decade of major league racing.

It moved him past other 60-and-over winning drivers, such as Hershel McGriff, Jim McElreath and Mel Kenyon.

In honor of his victory, Dick Jordan, USAC's director of communications, presented Liguori a plaque last fall that read:

"Has served as a great ambassador for the United States Auto Club, now competing in the amazing sixth decade of his racing career. Ralph's legion of followers is nationwide, and his drive for excellence has never diminished. We salute his long-standing membership as a USAC participant and hereby recognize his many contributions to the organization. From his spectacular sprint car triumph in a 1957 race at Langhorne, Pa., to his Indianapolis Speedrome midget victory earlier this season, he has established a USAC record for victory lane longevity. Our hats are off to one of USAC's finest elder statesmen."

And it's not over yet.

"As long as I have my reflexes and my eyesight, and I feel good, I'll keep racing," Liguori said recently. "I'll probably run 15 or 16 races this year. At least, as long as they'll have me."

After Liguori retired as an Indy car driver, he continued to return every year simply to be part of the scene. He and his wife, Jane, are in demand at all the social functions surrounding the 500.

"I still love being here, but there have been changes (in racing) that are definitely not all for the good," he said. "I guess I'm still a little resentful that a poor little rich boy can come back here and buy himself a ride in the 500, and a real good race driver, if he doesn't have the money, can't get a ride.

"Can you imagine one of today's drivers coming here, sleeping all month in his car and showering in the Speedway restroom? That wasn't unusual when I started out."

Liguori had been a champion three-meter platform diver at DeWitt Clinton High in New York City with ambitions of making the Olympic team when World War II began and he quit high school to join the Navy. When he returned home, he went to work for his family's business in the Bronx.

"I was a dress designer," he said. "I was frustrated. I didn't want to make a career out of that. I was engaged, and one night during a bad blizzard I was looking in the papers for some place to go and saw a story about a midget auto race at Kings Bridge Armory. It was indoors, and we could get there in the subway, so away we went.

"I decided that night that driving race cars was what I was going to do. I bought a '37 Ford coupe in a junkyard in Freeport, Long Island, for $25. When I won $25 the first time I raced it, I went home and quit the dress-designing business."

NASCAR was emerging as a racing sanctioning body about that time, and along with stock cars, it had a series for midget race cars. Most of the races were in the New York area, and Liguori became a NASCAR regular.

"One night, after I'd won $400 in Islip (N.Y.), I heard about all the racing going on in Florida, so I decided to give it a try. We settled in Fayetteville, North Carolina, and I was running both midgets and the big Grand National (now Winston Cup) stock cars.

"Bill France (NASCAR founder) was an incredible visionary, and even though nearly all his stock car drivers and tracks were in the South, he knew the importance of getting other parts of the country involved. One day, I told him I had decided to go back to New York and run open-wheel cars.

"He said, 'Ralph, you've got to stay here. I need a Yankee down here, and I've got a guy who will pay you $60 a week and all the money you can make racing. I'm going to advertise you as 'the Fayetteville Yankee.'

"Well, he was quite a salesman, too, so I stayed."

Liguori made enough money to buy property in Tampa in 1956, and he and his wife later built the Sunshine Trailer Park. He also worked at Tampa Bay Downs, George Steinbrenner's track.

"It was perfect for us," he said. "I would work there in the winter and go racing in the summer. I started driving all sorts of cars in 1956 and decided to take a crack at the 500. Sprint cars were the way to get to Indy back then, and when I won a 100-miler at Langhorne in September, I thought I was ready, but I didn't get a ride until 1959 in a Maserati."

For 10 years he chased the dream--still unfulfilled. Liguori's Indy record:

1959--He passed his driver's test in the Maserati, the Eldorado Italia Special, the only foreign entry that year. He qualified at a slow speed and was bumped from the field.

1960--He signed to drive one of the Federal Engineering Specials but broke his arm in a spectacular flip at Trenton, N.J., in April.

1961--He was driving the brutish Novi for Andy Granatelli in practice when the engine blew and the car slid in its own oil, slammed into the wall on the backstretch and exploded in flames. Liguori suffered facial burns but returned in time to qualify, only to find that Granatelli had hired another driver.

1962--He practiced in the McKay Special, but it was so slow that he did not try to qualify it.

1963--He qualified the Schulz Fuel Equipment Special at 147.620 m.p.h., but was bumped and named an alternate.

1964--He practiced in the Ollie Prather roadster but made no attempt to qualify.

"I made some bad mistakes," he said. "I felt that the best way to get recognized was to drive anything I could lay my hands on and show what I could do. The trouble was, I usually got in trouble, got myself a bad reputation and never lived it down."

1965--He crashed in the third turn during practice, driving the Demler roadster, and never attempted to qualify.

1966--He practiced in Walt Flynn's rear-engine Ford, but again made no attempt to qualify.

1967--He crashed Flynn's Ford on a warm-up lap for qualification, breaking a bone in his wrist.

1968--Still considered a rookie, he never finished the four-phase test when the engine blew in the Dayton Steel Wheel car on the first lap of his final phase. Observers praised Liguori for the way he handled the car during the spin, keeping it away from the walls. The next day he got into two other cars but could not get either up to the required speed before time ran out.

"I kept coming back after that, but I didn't get on the track," he said. "In fact, I haven't missed a 500 since I first came here in 1959. Indianapolis is sort of a home away from home for Jane and me. We get an apartment and spend the spring here."

Liguori had his proudest moment as a racer in the 1970 Hoosier Hundred, a dirt car race in which he passed A.J. Foyt with two laps to go and finished second behind Al Unser. It was his highest Indy car finish in more than 60 races.

Liguori will drive a dirt car in Foyt's Hulman Hundred, a Silver Crown championship race, on the Friday night before the 500 this year. The race will be on the same Indiana Fairgrounds track where he beat Foyt in 1970.

Looking back on all the frustrations and failures to make the 500, does Ralphie the Racer have any regrets?

"I have only one regret," he answered. "That I can't start over and do the same thing. I owe everything to racing."




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Dave Fulton
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11 years ago
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Here's an interview and video of "Ralphie the Racer" Liguori racing midgets in 1995 at age 68!!!




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Dave Fulton
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11 years ago
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Title:

Racer Ralph Ligouri - NASCAR




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Dave Fulton
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In a cursory look, I have found a multitude of Ralph Liguori clips in Google News Archives, including from the North Carolina newspapers The Robesonian and Wilmington Star-News when he was living in Fayetteville and racing weekly at Champion Speedway and Raleigh Fairgrounds . Other clips from the Reading Eagle and South East Missourian chronicle Champ Car and Sprint car. Even the Lakeland Ledger covers Ralph winning in Tampa in stock cars. The last story I found was a sad one, in the 2003 St. Petersburg Times regarding Ralph talking the dangers of racing to his grandson upon the death of an IRL racer.




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Dave Fulton
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11 years ago
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Motorsports

Renna farewell comes home

Family and friends, including an ex-NASCAR driver from Tampa, see the 26-year-old buried in his town, DeLand.

By BRANT JAMES
Published November 1, 2003


DELAND - Ralph Liguori had the talk with his grandson again. This time it broke his heart.

In more than 50 years of racing, from stock cars on Daytona Beach to open-wheel machines at Indianapolis Motor Speedway, the youthful 77-year-old Tampa resident has learned the danger of auto racing, personally felt the pain when speed mixes with disaster.

That was why he had a sober talk with his grandson, Joe, when he decided he, too, wanted to go fast. Now 17, Joe is starting to go faster than ever. Liguori was reminded on Oct. 22 how perilous it can really be.

Having just completed a long drive back from Indianapolis with a truckload of racing equipment, he was met at the front door by his wife, Jane, and told there was awful news.

Tony Renna, an aspiring Indy Racing League driver in his first official duties after signing just a month ago with the mighty Chip Ganassi Racing team, had died after his car went airborne during a tire test at IMS and crashed into a barrier.

Renna was a few months from beginning his dream job as a full-time IRL driver, a month from turning 27, less than a month from marrying his fiancee, Debbie Savini.

He was also like a son toLiguori, who had been close with Renna's parents for decades and watched Tony grow from an energetic child to the popular young man whose death drew almost 400 mourners to St. Peter's Catholic Church on Friday morning.

"The kid had a dream from when he was 8 years old. He was going to win the Indianapolis 500 one day, and let me tell you, if he'd stayed alive, he would have won it," Liguori said. "If I had a son like that, I'd thank the Lord. There couldn't have been a better ... I'm emotional about this ... as good a race driver as he was, he was even a better man."

"He always knew that the brightest day would be tomorrow," Renna's manager, Mark Coughlin, said. "There was a spring in his walk, his confidence at an all-time high, because he knew he belonged."

Renna had five top-10 finishes in seven races as a substitute driver for Kelley Racing in the IRL over the past two seasons. He finished seventh in his only race this year, the Indy 500.

"I left the morning he got killed not knowing it happened," Liguori said. "I don't play the radio when I'm driving and towing equipment because I concentrate on my driving. When I got home my wife told me she had bad news for me and I thought it was someone in my family. ... But that kid was like my family."

So he sat down with his son and daughter-in-law and Joe. The message: He couldn't bear the thought of something happening to Joe, so he didn't wish to support his career any longer.

"Before he ever started racing I said, "Listen, in this sport it's not a matter of if, but when you're going to get hurt,' " Liguori said. "If you stay in it long enough, you're going to get hurt. They accepted that. Then after Tony got killed, I came back and told them this is what can really happen and I didn't know if I was behind it anymore."

The response was as expected, likely what Liguori as a younger man would have told his family.

"He said, "Grandpa, whether you help me or not, I'm going to be a race driver,' " Liguori said. "So I have to help. This sport is like a drug, but it's legal."

Liguori moved to Florida in the 1950s to race stock cars - he raced in NASCAR's top circuit in its early days, before it was called Winston Cup - but the $65 local purses were insufficient to make a living.

He met his wife in Tampa and his father-in-law to be helped land him a job at Sunshine Park, now called Tampa Bay Downs. Liguori, who was eventually put in charge of admissions, parking and programs, met a jockey there named Joe Renna, who became a close friend and Tony's father. The Liguoris often drove from Tampa to DeLand for Tony's races once they retired, and had dinner with he and Savini a few weeks before Tony's death.

Liguori knows Renna won't be the last to die in this dangerous passion.

"Maybe we're crazy, but I don't think we're are," he said, sniffling. "I think we are dedicated to what we do and love what we do. It's like a jockey. When they get hurt, they get back on."

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Dennis Andrews
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11 years ago
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Dave, found this in the Nov. 10, 1955 Fayetteville Observer

Dave Fulton
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11 years ago
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Thanks, Dennis. It was interesting for me to learn about this driver.




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TMC Chase
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