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TMC Chase
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08/13/12 03:07:59PM
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Mouths of Babes


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Haha, very nice. I remember back in 1998 when University of Tennessee Vols were playing Arkansas. UT was undefeated, and the path to the SEC and eventual national championship games was within their control. But they were bumbling around against Arkansas and about to give the game away. I was hollering at the TV "Aww c'mon guys!", "You're KILLING me!", "Seriously Fulmer? Are you KIDDING me?", etc.

After several minutes of this behavior, my 3 year-old at the time looked at the TV, then looked at me, back at the screen, back at me, and then wisely said "Daddy, I don't think they can hear you."

I couldn't help but laugh, tell him he was right, and hug him. His wisdom put me in my place, and the Vols went on to win the game (thanks Clint Stoerner!)

TMC Chase
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08/10/12 11:32:13AM
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Speaking of Watkins Glen (continued)


Stock Car Racing History

I've sent him links to a couple of my Petty win entries + the one I recently wrote on the 1980 Pocono race. Each time, he has responded and complimented my work. Humbled to get notes like that.

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08/10/12 08:53:20AM
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Speaking of Watkins Glen (continued)


Stock Car Racing History

I was concerned this great article by Tom Higgins by get lost and buried amongst the comments of Dave Fulton's post from yesterday.

http://www.thatsracin.com/2012/08/09/92589/ghots-of-champions-past-lurk-about.html

Ghosts of champions past lurk about Seneca Lodge

At this time each August I seem to hear the leaves start rustling anew.

The sound is distinct, but at the same time eerily faint, almost ghostly. It seems to be emanating from afar.

And then, I remember

In the dimly-lit bar at rustic Seneca Lodge, deep in the woods of southern New York state near the storied Watkins Glen race course, several laurel wreaths hang on the walls, their leaves brown and brittle from the years.

Despite the fragility of their age, those wreaths exude an aura ... an emanation that leads me once again to reprise their memory.

In another time, the wreaths hung around the necks and graced the shoulders of drivers victorious in the U.S. Grand Prix, a long-ago Formula One race that unfolded for many a year at Watkins Glen. They were worn by such legendary drivers as Jimmy Clark, Graham Hill, Ronnie Peterson, Jochen Rindt and Gilles Villeneuve all of them, now gone.

Their wreaths were left behind as mementos, and through all these intervening years they have remained in place.

Legend has it that following the wreath-hanging ceremonies in the tavern of Seneca Lodge, the race winners had to stand on the bar while crewmen threw beer on them.

When NASCAR brought its big-time tour back to Watkins Glen in 1986after being absent there since 1965 I remember the late Tim Richmond being enthralled with these tales after visiting Seneca Lodge and seeing its treasure trove of memorabilia.

Theres magic here, Tim said. Ghosts are lurking round. Getting to race at Watkins Glen gives me goose bumps.

And then, Tim went out and won the inaugural Bud At The Glen, as the race was then known. He triumphed in stirring fashion, with a late charge to catch and pass Darrell Waltrip with just 12 of the 90 laps remaining on the 2.428-mile road course.

The victory for Hendrick Motorsports and crusty, colorful crew chief Harry Hyde continued an incredible streak for Richmond, giving him four victories in his last six starts. Hed also finished second three times in his last eight.

After the Victory Lane ceremony and winners press conference, Richmond ordered his teammates and friends down the hill to Seneca Lodge for a party like the Formula One folks had enjoyed.

The revelry was going strong when Tims delight turned to dismay. He suddenly realized that he had no wreath to hang on the wall. He hadnt been given one, in great part because the practice was discouraged by NASCAR. The foliage, see, would obscure the driver uniform logos of sponsors in the hundreds of photos that are always shot during Victory Lane proceedings.

Tim grew increasingly upset, but the savvy veteran Harry Hyde saved the precious day by suggesting that the team enshrine a tire from its winning car instead.

Richmond quickly agreed and crewman David Oliver was sent to fetch a tire from the teams big transporter parked outside the lodge.

Oliver remembers all this well as the Cup Series teams assemble once more at Watkins Glen for Sundays running of another Cup Series event At The Glen on Sunday.

It was close quarters in there with the race car, the backup race car, all the tools and the other gear, Oliver recalled recently. I had to crawl around and under a lot of stuff, and I skinned myself up some. But I eventually managed to get one of those big, fat tires out of the truck.

I had to do it. Tim wouldnt have left until hed put something to mark his victory on the wall in the bar. And after Harrys idea, it had to be a tire.

Oliver has other intriguing memories of events that marked NASCARs return to Watkins Glen.

Practically every team went to upstate New York in 86 planning to use Jerico transmissions in their cars, continued Oliver. These cut down on gear-shifting and the potential for a driver to make a mistake. Tim went out to practice, and after only a couple laps Tim came into the garage with a firm look on his face. Get that transmission out of the car and put a standard one in! he said. I cant run well without shifting. Its messing up my rhythm.

'Besides, this is WATKINS GLEN! Anyone who is too lazy to shift doesnt deserve to win here.

My stock in Tim Richmond as a great race car driver already was way up there. At that moment, it went out of sight in the sky.

Tim was waiting anxiously as Oliver returned to the festivities in the Seneca Lodge bar with the tire that had been part of the fulfilling victory. With much ado and amid great applause, Tim and Harry Hyde hung the tire on the wall.

Then Tim just like Jimmy Clark and all those Formula One greats who had preceded him stood on the bar and was splashed by beer thrown by his teammates.

And like those Grand Prix greats, Tim Richmond is gone, too. So is Harry Hyde.

Richmonds decline first came into view at Watkins Glen a year later, on Aug. 9, 1987. I recall it especially well, because that was my 50th birthday.

Richmond showed up very late for the drivers meeting a quarter-century ago. He appeared hung-over and confused.

As the meeting broke up, several top stars approached the Cup Series director, the late Dick Beaty of Charlotte. Their unanimous message to Beaty: If Richmond runs, we wont! Hes in no shape to be on the track.

NASCAR faced a dilemma. A messy decision was averted when the race was rained out and rescheduled for the next day. Twenty-four hours later Richmond was in better shape to drive. He started the race and finished 10th.

The following week Richmond was again woozy at Michigan International Speedwaya team spokesman said Tim had a nagging cold--but he made the field and ran until a blown engine forced him out.

When Richmond didnt show up two weeks later for the Southern 500 at Darlington Raceway, a classic in which he was defending champion, it became obvious his problem went far beyond a cold. Before long it was learned that Richmond had fallen victim to AIDS. The disease took his life on Aug. 13, 1989.

Old-time patrons at the bar in Seneca Lodge regale newcomers with tales of the fabulous Formula 1 drivers and Tim Richmond. But perhaps the drivers are remembered best by the yellowed wreaths and that tire, all of which serve to hallow the place.

Some racing fans claim that late at night, when the bar is quiet and the lights are low and the crowd is gone, those who use their imagination can hear the brittle leaves rustle and that tire of Tim Richmond whir maybe just a bit.

They claim you can hear the long ago laughter of the drivers and their crews, and you can smell the foaming beer.

There is magic.

Ghosts are lurking 'round.


updated by @tmc-chase: 12/05/16 04:00:58PM
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08/09/12 10:22:31PM
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Speaking of Watkins Glen & Staten Island....


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Ned set the bar high to be sure. Have always been impressed with his story of recognizing his limitations as a public speaker and enrolling in a Dale Carnegie course to make improvements.

But I also enjoyed Neil Bonnett's approach to being a color analyst. He was just himself. I think Craven and even Wally Dallenbach Jr. in contemporary times remind me a bit of Neil's approach - though a bit more analytical. Again, fitting for their personalities. But DW, Buddy Baker, Benny Parsons, Rusty, Larry Mc, "Hollywood", Herman the German, etc., they just try/tried too hard to force things.

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08/09/12 09:42:58PM
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Speaking of Watkins Glen & Staten Island....


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Rusty WAS a heckuva driver - but he IS a terrible commentator. He also characterized the relationship between Brad Keselowski and crew chief Paul Wolfe as a "love fest".

I cringed for him, shoved my hands at the TV and yelled "NO! You did NOT just say that!"

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08/09/12 09:30:16PM
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You mean "Jimmy Finnegan" as Rusty Wallace called him on last Sunday's pre-race show?

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08/09/12 05:35:02PM
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She probably does but just doesn't want any - especially the stilettos with re-bar heels.

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08/09/12 05:33:07PM
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Speaking of Watkins Glen & Staten Island....


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Re: The Bog

A Bus, The Bog and Racing A 30-year-old mystery
Published on 11/01/2004

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20041101/free/411010705

WHEN THE 1974 U.S. Grand Prix is remembered, the ride most likely talked about isn't Carlos Reutemann's winning BT44 Brabham-Ford. Nor is it the 312B3 Ferraris Niki Lauda and Clay Regazzoni drove, or the Surtees TS16 of Austrian rookie Helmuth Koinigg, who would die in a crash on lap nine in the race. For those at Watkins Glen 30 years ago, one vehicle is remembered above all: a Greyhound bus.

The chartered Greyhound carried Brazilian fans to the upstate New York circuit to cheer Emerson Fittipaldi that October race weekend. Fittipaldi was entering F1's Glen round tied for first in points with Regazzoni. A high finish for Fittipaldi could potentially result in his second championship in three years, and clinch McLaren's first constructors' title.

On the Saturday before race day the Greyhound delivered the Brazilians to the main paddock area. Reportedly its driver escorted his passengers to their grandstand seats, leaving the unattended coach unlocked. The bus was then stolen, demolished, and quickly burned by a mob of mostly drunken spectators. At least 12 other vehicles, four of them reportedly stolen from race fans camping nearby, were similarly destroyed. All met their fate in the Glen's Bog, that infamous mud bowl outside the tunnel leading to the start-finish line.

The Bog had been mayhem central since the 1960s. Not only the Grand Prix event, but Can-Am, F5000 and other series annually attracted the Bogladytes, who paid $15 general admission to basically party all weekend; few of them cared much about racing. At some point the Bogladytes began bringing in old vehicles to burn in the swampy pit. By 1974 "bogging" your heap at Watkins Glen had become a tradition, performed in front of hundreds chanting, "The Bog wants a car!" as they pounded it with a hail of rocks. Despite a police presence, Glen management appeared to tolerate the lawlessness as long as it was confined to the Bog.

Eyewitnesses to the Greyhound barbecue recall seeing the $40,000 bus being driven by "a shirtless longhair" into the Bog area. He circled the pile of wrecked car hulks at high speed, the crowd pummeling the bus with whatever they could find. The Greyhound finally crashed into the car pile and stopped. In a scene right out of Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome , flaming rags stuffed into its fuel tanks ignited a thick, black plume of diesel smoke seen for miles in Schuyler County. It burned for hours.

The incident was the last straw. The Bog was bulldozed soon after the 1974 Grand Prix and is now part of the Glen's parking area. Regazzoni finished the race in 11th; Fittipaldi's fourth-place earned him the title.

The Brazilian fans celebrated at the start-finish area with their hero. When it was time to leave, Greyhound sent another coach for the ride back to New York City.

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08/09/12 05:07:57PM
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I've never really set a goal to hit a road course race. I enjoyed watching Riverside on TV. And I've grown to enjoying the Glen AND playing it on Xbox. Sonoma doesn't do much for me. But if I ever get the chance to go to the Glen, I think I'd take the person up on it.

With this being largely a historical-based racing site, I'd love to hear some stories (and see some PG-13 photos) of folks enjoying The Bog (I think that's what it was called). The now-gone mud pit where folks had more fun, wrecked more cars, burned more things, etc. than enjoyed the races.

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08/09/12 05:01:32PM
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Milwaukees Best? Absolutely not. Schaefer? You better believe it. Dos Equis may have The Most Interesting Man In the World. But Schaefer creates the most irresistible one. ha ha ha

Actually, I'd like to think I spin it a different way. Ladies who enjoy Schaefer? Well, that's irresistible to ME.

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