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This old soldier would make great Christmas present for some Lover of the Sport--only one day left. Could it be yours ??
Go to EBay and read the history of the car---Very Interesting
That car has few questionables about it the tank isnt period correct for the 60's and the wind up 351 is a get by motor I guess--A 427 period correct would really be a plus
Robbie Solesbee said:
Johnny, my only problem is a 351 masquarading as a 427. And I'm asking your opinion on one thing-Does that look like a 22 gallon fuel cell to you?
Ownership Chain
- Rhea Greenwell retired from racing shortly after returning from Daytona in February of 1972. The car remained in his garage untouched until 1986.
- It was then sold to Don Collins, of Coleman, Alabama.
- Kyle Shelton of Decatur , Alabama purchased the car in August of 1989, and took special effort in preserving the originality of its last raced condition. The car was then demonstrated at the 16Th annual Mid-America Shelby meet at Hallet Motor Speedway , Tulsa, OK.
- Gene Felton, Roswell, GA purchased the Torino
- Jeff King of Malvern, PA.then bought it in September of 2001. Ernie Elliott brother of NASCARs Bill Elliott , was commissioned to do the current cosmetic restoration in 2003. This car is still considered to be one of the most original late 1960s era NASCAR Grand National stock cars.
- Current owner Lance Smith of Huntington Cars prepared the Torino for Road Racing and runs it with the Historic Grand National Stock Car Group.
History
- December 1970 Snowball Festival NASCAR sanctioned race, Pensacola FL. - Shake-down outing, car ran well but mechanical problems prevented a good finish.
- February 1971 Permatex 300 NASCAR Grand National Daytona FL. - Qualified middle of the field. Moved up to tenth position by mid point, drive shaft vibration problems did not allow the car to finish.
- May 1971 Permatex 250 NASCAR Grand National Talladega, AL. - Due to NASCAR rule changes car was not allowed to qualify or race. Car ran limited practice. Winter 1971 - The car under went modifications to comply with new NASCAR regulations and new exterior paint scheme was added.
- February 1972 Permatex 300 NASCAR Grand National Daytona, FL. - Car qualified well but did not race due to the death of drivers father before the start of the race.
This car is a NASCAR late model sportsmandressed up as a Grand National car.If you read the description, it ran some Permatex type races, but hasno GN history.
I am reluctantly selling authentic Sam Ard items on Ebay for Jo and Sam at Jo's request. They need the money and I am trying to help out. Have his winning plaque from the 1982 Dogwood 500 listed now and more items to add.
I see that some of Randy Ayer's finest members are here at Racers Reunion.
Warbird7 said:
This car is a NASCAR late model sportsmandressed up as a Grand National car.If you read the description, it ran some Permatex type races, but hasno GN history.
As many of you have heard me say in the past...I personally have no problems with replicas and like-restorations as long as they are properly represented. In lieu of not having an "authentic" representation it is perfectly acceptable and preferred. How else will our history be remembered if this practice is not continued. There are only so many "authentic" cars around. Sadly some folks are mislead. But sir, you will not find misrepresentation to be an issue at Memory Lane Museum as your post might lead some to think, You should be more careful.
John Craft said:Holman Moody and Grand National...the car is NOT.
But then again, misrepresenting the bonafides of a recently built or "restored" stock car is nothing new. Several other California lads have been sold a bill of goods that was represented as a real deal H&M GN car, too (the "Banana car "sold to Vic Edelbrock comes quickly to mind). The'68 Torinois nicely done in terms of workmanship.But it's wrong mechanically/historically in every detail, starting with the frame. The problem is, NASCAR has done so very little to preserve its history, that most folks would never know the difference between a real H&M half chassis car and the car featured in the E-Pay auction. Indeed, some gullible soulactually bid $45,000 for this homage. I just can't believe that figure would have been reached if the car was truthfully represented for what it actually is: a "no name", back of the pack, sportsman car with very little track time.
It seems as this post has caused a stir along with the one I posted of Bobby Allison. It may be true that this Torino is not a G/N car but I only posted it for our pleasure and enjoyment.
The car Bobby was setting in was indeed correct,you see Bobby and I are friends from way back in the early 60's and I questioned the car and was proudly told I was correct in what i said.
Now guys---and gals this site " R/R " is inintended for the enjoyment of our past,some brush strokes or body panels may not be correct and rubber bands tend to break and have to be replaced with a substitute.
Our Memory Lane is not a spot to pick on so in the future please take these discussions (when they get testy) out behind the old outhouse and discuss them there. The aroma may just fit in with the discussion.. Merry Christmas to ALL
None of those races listed in the history above are actual Grand National races. My understanding is that the car was built on a '58 Ford frame compared to a real 1968 Ford GN car being built on the Ford unibody and H-M half chassis.
I "think" not knowing for sure, the red car was a Banjo Matthews car, the blue one was a different Torino. I built it and I know it from exhaust to grill. I even made the pads on the inside of the drivers door with some material I got at a local fabric store and used my wife's sewing machine. The old boy that painted it was a local drunk that I'd get, sober him up and he do a great job with the body work and paint. The blue body had some fire damage whenI bought it from a wreck yard and he did a good job on it. Back to the mustang, I put a regular 351 in it and traded it for a 350 crewcab and forgot about it. When Ford made these Mustangs they were suppose to make 500 of them with the "S" series engine in them to make the engine approved for NAcSAR use. This burgundy Mustang has the lowest "s" serial number of the production. SEveral years later I trace the mustang down in SC and put it back together.
