The #88 and the #18

While reading other posts and several discussions and ducking a few thrown remarks I have come to the conclusion that some dont like one or both as some display in type.

Well give kyle points for not being perfect---in how he feels sometimes and true he gets a little up set when he is moved out of the way------- but he can drive,really anything he sets in. He has proven that,he may not always win but when you consistantly come from behind again and again the be in the thick of things at the finish, you gotta admire that. Wasnt there anther driver that also displayed the same talent???

Junior can also drive and he is especially good on those long restrictor tracks because you have to read the wind and adjust,I think he had a heck of a good teacher.

Ok you say he aint for nothing huh?? The fat lady hasnt sung yet by a long shot, There may just be a junior nation revival here shortly so dont talk to loud.

I tell you what,he has had a lot happen to him in a very short span,from losing his father to hisstep mother turning on him and Kelly. Doest seem like much until you set in his shoes.

But this year he may make a lot eat crow---are you ONE???

updated by @johnny-mallonee: 12/05/16 04:04:08PM

I agree with many of your posts, Johnny, but I have to take exception to one statement you made here. I don't believe Jr.'s stepmother turned on him and Kelley. DEI was built by Dale, Sr. and Teresa, and I believe Jr. and Kelley (mostly Kelley) were demanding things which they weren't entitled to. I believe Dale, Sr. and Teresa envisioned that their company (DEI)would provide nicely for all of their children and that the two of them would never have allowed two of the children (Dale, Jr. and Kelley) to acquire an unequal (and undeserved) share compared to the other two children.

Patty I did not for once denounce Teresa in her input on building DEI. That girl stood beside Dale through thick and thin to get where they were when he died. The only thing I didnt like was she did not want anything to do with the joint venture that Dale and Kelly wanted. I also think that Kerry was in on that venture, Taylor was tucked under Teresa's wing at that point so she was immediatly taken care of. The whole thing I think is being steered by another hand unknown to at least me. Thats my take on the matter so you and Earnest get outta the dog house and back on the porch with the rest of us.

PattyKay Lilley said:

I always try to be fair, and I really have no one favorite driver...anymore. I always try to give proper credit where it is due. Kyle Busch doesn't need my help The kid is good...spelled G...O...O...D!

Junior...not so much. He is average, by my reckoning, but has done alright for himself in many respects. And yes...I realize what he has lost; more than most folks could know. So many demanding fans pounced on him when Dale was taken away, telling him, in short, that he must fill the gap left by his Daddy. I never joined that throng. Despite the like name, there was, and is, only one Dale Earnhardt...the original. Junior will never be Dale, and I have never expected that of him. It is...in my humble opinion...unfair of his "Nation" to ask it of him either.

Now then...regarding your statement about Teresa having "turned" on Brenda's offspring...

It's hard to express how very much I agree with what Ernest had to say. Teresa was the love of Dale's life. They built DEI together, and if and when it came to Dale not being here, it is just for dang sure that it was never intended to go to two of his children (Dale Jr. and Kelley), while excluding the other two (Kerry and Taylor Nicole).

Believe it or not, I have lost friends...ones that I considered GOOD friends...because they put down Teresa Earnhardt. The simple fact that Dale chose her is good enough for me. Dale had a will. He did NOT leave DEI to two of his kids...he wisely left it to Teresa, the love of his life. When asked, Dale always said that ALL of his business life was in her hands. Dale was not a business man. He was a racecar driver...and a farmer. Anything to do with numbers and contracts was handled by Teresa...and we have Dale's word on that.

If Brenda's "children"...the ones she gave up when she saw money in their future...wanted DEI, it quite possibly might have been for sale, and that was put on the table at the time. They didn't want to buy it...they wanted it given to them...to the exclusion of Kerry and Taylor.

Sorry, but I find that indefensible, and frankly, unpalatable as well. And NO...that isn't bashing. Just the facts...and nothing but the facts.

Ernest...is there room for two in that doghouse?

~PattyKay

I was not in the room for any of the conversations about what was going on at DEI and fairly sure that ya'll arefussing about mostly what was printed in the mostly onesided media. Heres a couple of facts for you to chew on. Dale Jr has won 18 cup races.That puts him somewhere about 38th on the all time list. That means only 37 drivers have won more races than Jr since Nascar began. Now I know there has been a many a driver to strap in and give it a go so that would seem to make him fairly decent judging on his record. He just hasn't faired so well as of late,mostly since Eury Sr isn't in the picture and since Dale Sr left us. Those alone are pretty good reasons for his performance level dropping. We can only speculate. Whatever the reason,I admire him for even showing up with all the pressure on him,he gives a pretty good interview most of the time, he is pretty humble and doesn't have too much bad to say about anybody when he speaks.As for Kyle,yea he's a real good wheel man,but his attitude is far short of someone that I could root for on Sundays. What you bring to the table as a human beingmeans far more to me than how well you point a race car.If all it took was being the best wheel man then Kyle should win the championship every year until a better wheel man comes along,but since alot more is required,(check out that 48 team)then Kyle comes up pretty short as far as I am concerned.It's pretty easy to criticize when you don't have to walk in thier shoes. Try looking at them as human beings instead of some super power and you realize they are just like us, living day to day trying to be the best at whatthey do,some are just a little better than others. That's my take on Kyle and Jr.

With love through my savior Jesus Christ

Tommy

Johnny Mallonee said:

Patty I did not for once denounce Teresa in her input on building DEI. That girl stood beside Dale through thick and thin to get where they were when he died. The only thing I didnt like was she did not want anything to do with the joint venture that Dale and Kelly wanted. I also think that Kerry was in on that venture, Taylor was tucked under Teresa's wing at that point so she was immediatly taken care of. The whole thing I think is being steered by another hand unknown to at least me. Thats my take on the matter so you and Earnest get outta the dog house and back on the porch with the rest of us.

PattyKay Lilley said:

I always try to be fair, and I really have no one favorite driver...anymore. I always try to give proper credit where it is due. Kyle Busch doesn't need my help The kid is good...spelled G...O...O...D!

Junior...not so much. He is average, by my reckoning, but has done alright for himself in many respects. And yes...I realize what he has lost; more than most folks could know. So many demanding fans pounced on him when Dale was taken away, telling him, in short, that he must fill the gap left by his Daddy. I never joined that throng. Despite the like name, there was, and is, only one Dale Earnhardt...the original. Junior will never be Dale, and I have never expected that of him. It is...in my humble opinion...unfair of his "Nation" to ask it of him either.

Now then...regarding your statement about Teresa having "turned" on Brenda's offspring...

It's hard to express how very much I agree with what Ernest had to say. Teresa was the love of Dale's life. They built DEI together, and if and when it came to Dale not being here, it is just for dang sure that it was never intended to go to two of his children (Dale Jr. and Kelley), while excluding the other two (Kerry and Taylor Nicole).

Believe it or not, I have lost friends...ones that I considered GOOD friends...because they put down Teresa Earnhardt. The simple fact that Dale chose her is good enough for me. Dale had a will. He did NOT leave DEI to two of his kids...he wisely left it to Teresa, the love of his life. When asked, Dale always said that ALL of his business life was in her hands. Dale was not a business man. He was a racecar driver...and a farmer. Anything to do with numbers and contracts was handled by Teresa...and we have Dale's word on that.

If Brenda's "children"...the ones she gave up when she saw money in their future...wanted DEI, it quite possibly might have been for sale, and that was put on the table at the time. They didn't want to buy it...they wanted it given to them...to the exclusion of Kerry and Taylor.

Sorry, but I find that indefensible, and frankly, unpalatable as well. And NO...that isn't bashing. Just the facts...and nothing but the facts.

Ernest...is there room for two in that doghouse?

~PattyKay