BGN Race Identification Help

berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

Greetings,

I am writing to ask for some help in solving a mystery regarding the BGN series.  I have scoured the internet, newspaper archives, periodicals, etc., in an effort to identify and log a database full of past race information.  One of the items sorely missing from places like Racing-Reference, for example, is information about what time of day BGN races were run (Day or Night).

Prior to the late 80s, BGN races were not televised, so getting a visual of the start time for each race is a lot harder.  I have found a few photo archives that can be used to determine if a race was run in the day or at night, but most BGN races dating back to the Sportsman Series in 1982 seem to elude me.

What I have ascertained thus far is the time of day each BGN race was run from 1993 onward.  Below is a list of tracks and seasons with races where I cannot find any credible evidence as to when each race was run.  Note that some start times can be assumed (BGN races run on Sundays were LIKELY day races, Bristol spring races run on Saturdays were LIKELY day races, races at Lucas Oil Raceway were LIKELY run at night), but are not fully verified with any hard evidence.

As members of the community trying to keep this history alive, I am asking if anyone has any evidence of the time of day BGN races from 1982 to 1992 were run for the following races at the following tracks.  Feel free to post the evidence in this thread.  This can include photos from the race, winner's circle, newspaper articles, magazine articles, etc.  All help will be greatly appreciated in keeping this part of our racing history alive!

Thank you kindly,

D.J.

Track List:

HICKORY SPEEDWAY:
Hickory, NC

Race List:

1986 GNS:
 Race 2 @ Hickory


updated by @berensdj88: 07/21/22 05:05:33PM
TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

A neat project. Someone who may be able to assist is Rick Houston. Rick covered the Busch Series for Winston Cup Scene and wrote the book Second To None about the series. With the book's narratives and photos plus his own knowledge, you may be able to fill some gaps. I'd also think a lot of the photos on this site may help - though the search functionality is a bit wonky. I for one, however, will look over the list to see if I can close any of the gaps.




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updated by @tmc-chase: 07/12/22 04:02:36PM
TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

1989 Nashville - Granger Select 200 - Saturday night race

1988 Nashville - Carquest 200 - Saturday night race

1984 Nashville - Nashville 200 - Saturday night race




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

[quote="TMC Chase"]

A neat project. Someone who may be able to assist is Rick Houston. Rick covered the Busch Series for Winston Cup Scene and wrote the book Second To None about the series. With the book's narratives and photos plus his own knowledge, you may be able to fill some gaps. I'd also think a lot of the photos on this site may help - though the search functionality is a bit wonky. I for one, however, will look over the list to see I can close any of the gaps.

[/quote]

THE Rick Houston?  I listen to his Scene Vault podcast on Youtube every week.  I will see if I can locate his book.  Otherwise, how would I get a hold of him?  Does he have a website or public email address?

berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

[quote="TMC Chase"]

1989 Nashville - Granger Select 200 - Saturday night race

1988 Nashville - Carquest 200 - Saturday night race

1984 Nashville - Nashville 200 - Saturday night race

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Do you have a source for this information showing that these races were on Saturday nights?

Sorry if the historian in me is coming out...I would like to verify with some sort of source material to be certain.  Thanks.

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

1984

1984 Nashville 200 ad.png

1988

1988 Nashville Carquest 200 ad.png

1989

1989 Nashville Granger 200 ad TN.png




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updated by @tmc-chase: 07/12/22 12:47:30PM
TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

[quote="berensdj88"]

THE Rick Houston?  I listen to his Scene Vault podcast on Youtube every week.  I will see if I can locate his book.  Otherwise, how would I get a hold of him?  Does he have a website or public email address?

[/quote]

Rick's email is at the bottom of his SV website: https://www.thescenevault.com/ . Tell him TooMuchCountry sent you! Ha.




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updated by @tmc-chase: 07/12/22 12:49:56PM
berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

[quote="TMC Chase"]

1984

1984 Nashville 200 ad.png

1988

1988 Nashville Carquest 200 ad.png

1989

1989 Nashville Granger 200 ad TN.png

[/quote]

Amazing!  It never occurred to me to use advertisements for the actual races.  This is a very good start as it pretty much wraps up the start times for Fairgrounds.  Thanks!

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

Bristol

1982 - Southeastern 150 - Saturday night 

1982 Bristol Southeastern 150.png

1983 - Southeastern 150 - Saturday night

1983 Bristol Southeastern 150 promo.png

1985 - Budweiser 200 - Saturday afternoon

1985 Bristol VD500 program ebay.jpg

1986 - Budweiser 200 - Saturday afternoon (based on ESPN tape delay of race to 7:30 that night)

1986 Bristol TV.png

1989 - Budweiser 200 - Monday afternoon

1989 Bristol Bud 200 rain delay makeup.png




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updated by @tmc-chase: 07/12/22 01:57:47PM
berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

Wow!  And that list right there solves Bristol!  I didn't know that spring races were actually held at night for the BGN in 1982-1983.  Good catch!

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

1983 Greenville-Pickens - both night races

Coca-Cola 200

1983 Greenville Coke 200 Ingram.png

DAPCO 200

1983 Greenville DAPCO 200 ad.png




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

Wow, you are making some quick work of this.  Greenville-Pickens is DONE.  Both night races.  Again, not necessarily what I would have expected.

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

Lanier 

1988 - scheduled for Saturday night - rain postponed race to Sunday - presumably to afternoon but not confirmed

1988 Lanier promo.png

1988 Lanier race report Tommy Houston.png

1989 - night race

1989 Lanier Big Star Nestle 200 promo.png

1991 - night race

1991 Lanier David Green.png




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

And that takes care of Lanier.  These articles are coming in quite handy.  Thank you for the quick responses to this question.

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

Batch of Hickory

1985 - race 1 - day race

1985 Hickory MD400 preview.png

1985 - race 2 - night race

1985 Hickory Goodys 200 preview.png

1985 - race 3 - night race

1985 Hickory Isaac Memorial preview.png

1985 - race 4 - night race

1985 Hickory Southern Biscuit Blour 200 preview.png

1986 - race 1 - day race

1986 Hickory MD400 promo.png

1986 - race 2 - TBD

1986 - race 3 - originally scheduled as night race - rain postponed to Sunday afternoon

1986 Hickory Isaac Memorial promo.png

1986 Hickory Isaac Memorial rain.png

1987 - race 1 - originally scheduled for March 8. Rained out and postponed to March 15 day race

1987 Hickory MD400 0308 promo.png

1987 Hickory MD400 0308 rainout.png

1987 - race 2 - night race

1987 Hickory Isaac Memorial promo.png

1988 - race 1 - day race

1988 Hickory MD400 start.png

1988 - race 2 - night race

1988 Hickory Pepsi 200 ad.png

1989 - race 1 - night race

1989 Hickory MD400 Spencer.png

1989 - race 2 - night race

1989 Hickory Pepsi 200 Ellis.png

1990 - race 2 - day race

1990 Hickory MD400 promo.png

1990 - race 2 - night race

1990 Hickory Granger 200 Bown.png

1991 - race 2 - night race

1991 Hickory Busch Hensley.png




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

That's another really solid batch!  Thanks!

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

Oxford Plains

1986 - scheduled for Sunday - rain postponed to Monday night

1986 Oxford Plains 250 Busch Sunday.png

1986 Oxford Plains 250 Busch rain.png

1987 - night race

1987 Oxford Plains preview.png

1988 - night race

1988 Oxford Plains 250 McCabe.png

1990 - night race

1990 Oxford Plans 250 Busch.png

1991 - night race

1991 Oxford Plains ad.png




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TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

Myrtle Beach - both night races

1989

1989 Myrtle Beach Spencer.png

1990

1990 Myrtle Beach Marin.png




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

More good finds!  I am updating the OP to indicate races or tracks that have verified start times.  Thanks again for your help!

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

Rest of Hickory 

1982 - race 1 - originally scheduled for Sunday, March 7. Postponed to Saturday April 10 - night race

1982 Hickory MD300 Busch March original.png

1982 Hickory MD300 Busch reschedule.png

1982 - race 2 - originally scheduled for Saturday May 22 as night race - postponed by rain to Sunday May 23 as day race

1982 Hickory Sunkist 200 Busch ad original.png

1982 Hickory Sunkist 200 Busch reschedule.png

1982 - race 3 - night race

1982 Hickory Winston 200 Busch ad.png.jpg

1982 - race 4 - night race

1982 Hickory Goodys 200 Busch preview.png

1982 - race 5 - night race

1982 Hickory Isaac Memorial Busch ad.png

1983 - race 1 -  day race

1983 Hickory MD400 preview.png

1983 - race 2 - night race

1983 Hickory Shoneys 200 ad.png

1983 - race 3 - night race

1983 Hickory Goodys 200 preview.png

1983 - race 4 - night race

1983 Hickory Isaac Memorial 200 preview.png

1983 - race 5 - day race

1983 Hickory Yount 200 ad.png

1984 - race 1 -  day race

1984 Hickory MD400 preview.png

1984 - race 2 - night race

1984 Hickory Yount 200 preview.png

1984 - race 3 - night race

1984 Hickory Goodys 200 preview.png

1984 - race 4 - night race

1984 Hickory Isaac Memorial ad.png




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

Excellent!  So the only question left on Hickory is when the 1986 Race 2 @ Hickory was held.  That's the only one missing for that track.

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

Caraway

1982 - race 1 -  night race

1982 Caraway Bud 200 Busch preview.png

1982 - race 2 - night race

1982 Caraway Goodys 200 pole and race preview.png

1983 - night race

1983 Caraway preview.png




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

Ok, that closes out Caraway then.  Excellent find!

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

Volusia - both night races

1989

1989 Volusia Firecracker 200 ad.png

1990

1990 Volusia Firecracker 200 preview.png




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

Great job!  Volusia is done!

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

Louisville - both night races

1988

1988 Louisville Busch ad.png

1989

1989 Louisville Busch preview.png




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

That will take care of Louisville too.  Not too many left to go!

berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

Thanks again for all the help!  OP has been updated to include the tracks and races that are still missing confirmed start time information.  6 tracks and 69 races left.

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

Georgia International Speedway - aka Jefco - aka Gresham

1986 - night race

1986 Jefco Bud 200 preview.png

1987 - night race

My blog post about the race: https://bench-racing.blogspot.com/2019/07/july-5-1987-budweiser-200.html

1987 Jefco Bud 200 ad.png

1987 World Crown 200 (as part of 500 lap race event) - day race

1987 Jefco WC500 preview.png




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

Excellent!  That wraps up Peach State (Jefco, Gresham).  I'll update the OP.

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

Pulaski - Radford - Motor Mile - all night races

1989

1989 Radford Old Mil 200 preview.png

1990

1990 Pulaski Granger 200 preview.png

1991

1991 Pulaski Granger 200 preview.png




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

Great find!  That wraps up Motor Mile races!  OP updated.

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

Rougemont - Orange County

1983 - race 1 - night race

1983 Rougemont Swain 200 ad.png

1983 - race 2 - night race

1983 Rougemont Paving 200 ad.png

1983 - race 3 - night race (noted as sponsored by Mello Yello on Racing-Reference, but ad and race reports note Miller High Life)

1983 Rougemont Mello Yello Miller 200 ad.png

1983 - race 4 - night race

1983 Rougemont Solomon 200 ad.png

1984 - race 1 - night race

1984 Rougemont Paving 300 ad.png

1984 - race 2 - night race

1984 Rougemont Swain 300 ad.png

1984 - race 3 - night race

1984 Rougemont Miller 300 ad.png

1985 - race 1 - night race

1985 Rougemont Puryear 150 ad.png

1985 - race 2 - night race

1985 Rougemont Goodys 150 ad.png

1986 - race 1 - night race

1986 Rougemont Poole 150 ad.png

1986 - race 2 - Saturday night race not Sunday day

1986 Rougemont Swain150 ad.png

1986 - race 3 - night race

1986 Rougemont Roses 300 ad.png

1987 - race 1 - night race

1987 Rougemont Poole 150 ad.png

1987 - race 2 - night race

1987 Rougemont Carpenter 150 ad.png

1988 - race 1 - night race

1988 Rougemont Roses 300 ad.png

1988 - race 2 - night race

1988 Rougemont Poole 150 preview.png

1989 - race 1 - night race

1989 Rougemont Roses 300 preview.png

1989 - race 2 - night race

1989 Rougemont Texas Pete 300 preview.png

1991 - race 1 - late afternoon race

1991 Rougemont Roses 300 preview.png

1992 - race 1 - night race

1992 Rougemont Roses 300 TV.png

1992 - race 2 - night race

1992 Rougemont Texas Pete 300 preview.png  

  

 




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

Wow!  This is a giant find!  That's a LOT of races at Orange County to track down.  Thanks a ton!  I will update the OP.

berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

OP is updated.  Langley, South Boston, and the 1986 Race #2 at Hickory are the only ones left.

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

Langley - all night races

1982 - race 1 

1982 Langley Hampton 200 ad.png

1983 - race 1 

1983 Langley Hampton 200 ad.png

1984 - race 1 

1984 Langley Hampton 200 ad.png

1985 - race 1 

1985 Langley Hampton 200 ad.png

1986 - race 1 

1986 Langley Hampton 200.png

1987 - race 1 

1987 Langley Hampton 200 preview.png

1988 - race 1 

1988 Langley Hampton 200 ad.png




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TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
5 months ago
4,072 posts

More Langley - summer races - all night races

1982 - race 2

1982 Langley Lovelace 250 preview.png

1983 - race 2

1983 Langley Virginia 200 ad.png

1984 - race 2

1984 Langley Busch 200 ad.png

1985 - race 2

1985 Langley Busch 200 ad.png

1986 - race 2

1986 Langley Busch 200 ad.png

1987 - race 2 - unsure why Racing Reference has the race dated on Sunday, August 9

1987 Langley Busch 200 ad.png

1987 Langley Busch 200 Pollad.png

1988 - race 2

1988 Langley Busch 200 preview.png




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
5 months ago
23 posts

Great job!  That wraps up Langley.  South Boston and 1 Hickory race is all that is left.  Will update the OP.

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
4 months ago
4,072 posts

South Boston batch - all night races

1991 - Race 2

1991 South Boston Coors 400 ad.PNG

1990 -  Race 1

1990 South Boston Roses 300 ad.PNG
1990 -  Race 2

1990 South Boston Coors 300 ad.PNG

1989 -  Race 1

1989 South Boston Busch 200 ad.PNG

1989 -  Race 2

1989 South Boston Coors 200 ad.PNG

1988 - Race 1

1988 South Boston Busch 200 ad.PNG

1988 - Race 2

1988 South Boston Coors 200 ad.PNG

1987 -  Race 1

1987 South Boston Busch 200 ad.PNG

1987 -  Race 2

1987 South Boston Coors 200 ad.PNG




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
4 months ago
23 posts

Excellent!  Only 19 races left to identify!  I will update the OP.


updated by @berensdj88: 07/19/22 11:33:41PM
TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
4 months ago
4,072 posts

Rest of South Boston

1982 - race 1 - Sunday day race

1982 South Boston Busch 200 ad.png

1982 - race 2 - Saturday night race

1982 South Boston Roses 200 ad.png

1982 - race 3 - Saturday night race

1982 South Boston Lowes 200 ad.png

1983 - race 1 - Saturday night race

1983 South Boston WDVA 200 ad.png

1983 - race 2 - Saturday night race

1983 South Boston Busch 200 ad.png

1983 - race 3 - Saturday night race

1983 South Boston Roses 200 ad.png

1983 - race 4 - Saturday night race

1983 South Boston Coke 200 ad.png

1983 - race 5 - Saturday night race

1983 South Boston Miller 200 ad.png

1984 - race 1 - Saturday night race

1984 South Boston Busch 200 ad.png

1984 - race 2 - Saturday night race

1984 South Boston Roses 200 ad.png

1984 - race 3 - Saturday night race

1984 South Boston Miller 300 ad.png

1985 - race 1 - Saturday night race

1985 South Boston Busch 200 preview.png

1985 - race 2 - Saturday night race

1985 South Boston Roses 200 ad.png

1985 - race 3 - Saturday night race

1985 South Boston Miller 200 ad.png

1986 - race 1 - Saturday night race

1986 South Boston Busch 200 preview.png

1986 - race 2 - Saturday night race

1986 South Boston Pepsi 200 preview.png

1986 - race 3 - Saturday night race

1986 South Boston Coors 200 preview.png

1986 - race 4 - Saturday night race

1986 South Boston Advance Auto Parts 200 preview.png




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
4 months ago
23 posts

Wonderful!  That wraps up South Boston.  There is now only one race left to identify...

6/7/1986 Goody's 200 @ Hickory

berensdj88
@berensdj88
4 months ago
23 posts

Does anyone happen to have ideas on where I might be able to locate the start time for the last BGN race I need to identify?  I signed up for access to the Charlotte Observer Archives, but was unable to locate a news story regarding this race circa 6/7/1986 at Hickory.  Any advice would be helpful so I can confirm this last race.  Thanks!

TMC Chase
@tmc-chase
4 months ago
4,072 posts

I've hit a wall. I've searched a million didn't ways, sources, and papers to no avail. I even tweeted Andy Houston, Tommy's son, asking him if they had any info about the race with Tommy having won it. So far, nothing.

The only thing I've got anecdotally is a note from Chris Hussey, the long-time NASCAR crewman and crew chief. He said if it was a Hickory summer race, it was DEFINITELY a Saturday night.




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berensdj88
@berensdj88
4 months ago
23 posts

Wow, that's some pretty deep research.  I can't thank you enough for all the help with this.  My plan is to create a public, free, online database with this information so we don't lose it.  Let's see if someone comes up with something, but Chris Hussey is a legitimate source.

Primary source material is excellent in this case, and eye-witness accounts are always good to have.  Those are the things that allowed us to better identify photos from Airbase Speedway, for example, when they were erroneously attributed to other venues by photographic databases.  Well done!

Dave Fulton
@dave-fulton
4 months ago
9,134 posts

That's been quite a project




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