Patrick Fogel
03/02/10 08:42:18AM
@patrick-fogel
Those bad Clevelands! It's getting harder to find those 4-barrel Clevelands these days. I remember the days helping Dyno Don with a cammer car, a Boss 429 Maverick...and then the Cleveland powered Pinto and Mustang II. Earl wade was the first to work with Don on that engine and it went fast. Those first ones had parts attrtion in the lower end! Jon Kaase came on board and that's when things started to turn around. I remember Kaase when he had hair! Jon was a very meticulous mechanic and machinist with lots of new ideas and Don really trusted him. They got the most out of those Chevy-like cylinder heads, especially when they went from the stainless valves to titanium. The Pinto and the Mustang left the line at 10,000 rpm or better. In the early days with the slick shifted 4-speeds, Don was always one of the best. It got better yet when the Doug Nash 5-speeds came into use and Dyno had no trouble adding that extra shift. Ronnie Sox was also a friend of mine and I raced with Ronnie, Buddy and Jake several times. Ronnie - who is renowned as the best shifter ever - respected Nicholson's shifting ability and spoke highly of him. (He also spoke highly of Butch Leal and Herb McCandless). Next Kaase, ever the inventor/innovator, began machining internals for the 5-speed that made it clutchless. They broke a lot of parts but finally Jon got it right. Dyno became unbeatable and the Chevy camps (read Bill Jenkins) and the Chrysler camps (read S& M et all who were being weight factored to death) cried foul. It wasn't long that the Lenco tranny came to everyone's rescue that had the wallet to step up. With the advent of Bill Jenkins' tube chassis Vega and the Lenco, drag racing in Pro Stock became seriously more expensive. Only the well-financed teams could hang on. NHRA crapped on Chrysler so bad that they pulled out. Don and Ronnie, Landy, Platt and others made their money from match racing and they loved it. They got paid appearance money, win or lose. When Pro Stock started getting breaks using big blocks, it was the end of the road for the Clevelands of Nicholson, Gapp & Roush and Glidden. IHRA Mountain Motors pushed the limits...I remember Ricky Smith had a big Boss somewhere around 800 cubic inches! It is nowhere near as fun today as it used to be. These old racers in the first days usually brought their car to the track on nice flat trailers pulled behind a dually. Factory backed cars had nice hauler trucks, guys like Sox and Billy Stepp. I'd love to see the days of small block Pro Stock return and with conventionally shifted transmisssions. Back in the day, no self respecting Pro Stock racer would be caught dead with an automatic! Once the Cleveland Ford boys solved the oiling problems with a proprietary system, went to Childs & Albert aluminum rods, titanium valves, tremendous valve springs and humongous roller cams, they held together. I'll bet Bob Glidden still has a couple under a bench in his Indiana shop. I know Jack Roush does and probably Kaase and Hubert Platt. Keep them alive!
Pat
Discussions
 
TMC Chase

November 9 - This day in Petty history


11/9/58 - Bob Welborn won the pole and the race in a Julian Petty-owned Chevrolet in a 150 lapper at Champion Speedway in Fayetteville NC. Lee...
@TMC Chase started 16 years ago - replies: 0
TMC Chase

November 8 - This day in Petty history


11/8/70 - Richard wins the Georgia 500 at Macon, GA.
@TMC Chase started 16 years ago - replies: 0
Dale Dodge Jr

The Finish Line by: Dale's dad


THE FINISH LINEBy: Dale Dodge Sr. To: My beloved Son, Dale Jr.Keep your eye on the prize,Set your heart on your goal.Remember its not whats...
@Dale Dodge Jr started 16 years ago - replies: 0
TMC Chase

November 7 - This day in Petty history


11/7/54 - Lee wins a 200 lapper at Tri-City Speedway in High Point NC.11/7/64 - Jim Pachal finshes 4th in a team #42 Petty Plymouth at Dog Track...
@TMC Chase started 16 years ago - replies: 0
TMC Chase

November 6 - This day in Petty history


11/6/1960 - Lee won the pole and finished 3rd in a 200 lap race at the Charlotte Fairgrounds Speedway. Richard finished 11th.11/6/1977 - Richard...
@TMC Chase started 16 years ago - replies: 0
Andy Towler

Bob Mcginnis


Bob Drove For Frank Edwards out of henderson n.c. Frank Works for rick hendrick the cup owner, bob Drove for Howard Cook, Ed Shelton, Buck Duval,...
@Andy Towler started 16 years ago - replies: 2
TMC Chase

November 5 - This day in Petty history


11/5/78 - Richard nips Dave Marcis at the finish line in the Dixie 500 at Atlanta. Most everyone thought he won the race and ended a long winless...
@TMC Chase started 16 years ago - replies: 1
Craig Bontrager

One of the best


He did more with less than most people could ever hope to do with more!!
@Craig Bontrager started 16 years ago - replies: 1
Ron Ward

Remembering others


This is the very reason that my father and I joined the Old Timers Group. To get to know the pioneers of this sport, the ones that dedicated all...
@Ron Ward started 16 years ago - replies: 1
TMC Chase

November 4 - This day in Petty history


11/4/62 - Jim Paschal won in a #41 Petty Plymouth at Birmingham Fairgrounds Raceway.
@TMC Chase started 16 years ago - replies: 0
   / 44