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Kyle Busch Ticketed; 128 in 45 mph Zone
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Yeah, 130 to these guys is like 70 to most of us
Wally Bell said:
Man I'm confused..Kyle was racing Curtis and Scott Crossfield ?
I know I'm being a smart ass...just getting a kick out of this conversation.....
My 2 cents....128 mph? exact? I doubt the accuracy .......
Buddy Baker's Porsche..I remember well.....allegedly 130 plus mph on 29. years ago....
Kyle Busch Ticketed; 128 in 45 mph Zone
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No Patty, Kyle is not a kid, he is a legal adult. Shame on NC for not dropping the hammer on him as the North Carolina State Police are as tough as any. They very well may take his license. More importantly what if an animal or person happened to go across this road ? What if the great one just made a mistake or had a mechanical failure ?
I would say the same thing today, yesterday or 50 years ago.
PattyKay Lilley said:
Was this a dumb thing to do? Of course it was...and to my knowledge, no one has ever accused the lad of being the sharpest tool in the shed. He is a KID, and kids do stuff...as pointed out by the Legend, many of us were equally ignorant and uninformed...plus, like all young folks, we believed we were invincible.
I must hasten to point out that there was no accident involved here, and not even the slightest suspicion of alcohol or other mind-altering substances. (Brian, are your ears burning?) He is a kid and he got a speeding ticket. Not the first time that has happened, and won't be the last. I believe that I read yesterday that he has had one other ticket in his life. Unless NC is a lot tougher than most of our 50 states, that isn't going to cost him a license. Reckless driving might, but unless he was driving at that speed on the wrong side of the road, I don't see that as applicable.
As I type, I'm reminded of a couple other gentlemen of NASCAR that took to racing on the open highway...more than once. Their names were Curtis Turner and Joe Weatherly, and their antics are legendary in the sport of stock car racing. Were they called the same names and damned the way it's being done to Kyle? Maybe by Ralph Moody, but not by anyone else...except of course, the Florida State Police that tried unsuccessfully to catch and stop 'em.
I'm just sayin'...sometimes we have to step back a moment in order to see things in the proper prospective. Turner and Weatherly are hailed as heroes of our sport, though I'd wager the farm that they were going at least as fast as Kyle, and on a two-lane road with two-way traffic. (And...they were young) How then does Kyle become so vilified for doing no more than most of us have done? Sounds like this court is a bit imbalanced today.
Oh, and just for the record, I am not one bit shy.
~PattyKay
Kyle Busch Ticketed; 128 in 45 mph Zone
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Kyle was just trying to prove that they need to raise the speed limit on that highway
Bobby Allison's 85th race win in question?
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No worries Patty, I offer no opinion on your statement. Just curious about the shake out. But if racing reference properly credits Bobby with the win for that event and his career totals then should not Richard;s career total be dropped to 199 on racing reference ? Is racing reference considered official ? Evidently not. Indeed there seems to be no official NASCAR record book available prior to 1972. Rather I am confused ....LOL I recall this argument coming up several years ago.
One can imagine many disputed races back in the day when scoring was done by hand or other means if you know what I mean. Great stuff Pkl.
PkL said:
No Richard, that is not what I said at all. Racing Reference has it RIGHT! It was definitely that one race at Bowman Gray that is the culprit, and Bobby definitely won it. nascar.com conveniently forgets about everything before 1972...or 1975, depending on their mood or time of the month. They don't even have a listing for anything farther back than that...as though Big Bill never existed and the rest of us are crazy.
There is a large book in print called "The NASCAR Encyclopedia", which was co-authored by Peter Golenbock and Greg Fielden. There is an entire unit explaining what happened in that race, and neither of those two august gentlemen can explain it either. For a long time, NASCAR just said that Bobby didn't win because he drove a Mustang...but THEY welcomed that car and several others into the race! (Short fields even back then, I guess)
If you look at the race, you'll see that 7 out of the top ten finishers were Grand Am cars. Funniest part of that is wondering how they managed to cram Tiny Lund into a Camaro. (Shoe horn?)
The race now "officially" shows Bobby as the winner, but his win total has never been officially changed. Take a look at the second place finisher, in a Plymouth (Grand National car) and you'll see what I suspect is the reason why. If someone gains one "officially", then someone else would have to lose one, "officially." Second place and originally declared race winner was Richard Petty. Apparently, NASCAR isn't prepared to take one away from the King, even if he didn't really win it.
It's really just the way it's always been. It's their bat, their ball and their game, so they get to make the rules.
Richard Guido said:
So then racing reference has it wrong compared to official records. Where can you find officialNASCAR records on line ?
Pkl said:This thing has been bouncing back and forth for years. The problem, as usual, is with NASCAR. The race WAS a sanctioned NASCAR Grand National race, but for whatever reason, they let both Grand National and Grand Am cars participate. Bobby was driving a mustang and won the race.
Only after the race, did NASCAR decide that they didn't want a Grand Am car as the winner of a Grand National race, so the win was conveniently "not counted." To the best of my knowledge, the "official" stats now list Bobby as the winner, but his winning record has never been changed from 84 to 85 wins, so he remains tied with Darrell Waltrip on the NASCAR win list.
It would only be right, tonight when he is inducted into the Hall of Fame, if NASCAR changed the errant record and acknowledged Bobby as the third most winning driver in NASCAR history.
But...right and NASCAR are not always compatible, so I doubt it will ever happen. Three cheers for Bobby!!!
Bobby Allison's 85th race win in question?
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So then racing reference has it wrong compared to official records. Where can you find officialNASCAR records on line ?
Pkl said:
This thing has been bouncing back and forth for years. The problem, as usual, is with NASCAR. The race WAS a sanctioned NASCAR Grand National race, but for whatever reason, they let both Grand National and Grand Am cars participate. Bobby was driving a mustang and won the race.
Only after the race, did NASCAR decide that they didn't want a Grand Am car as the winner of a Grand National race, so the win was conveniently "not counted." To the best of my knowledge, the "official" stats now list Bobby as the winner, but his winning record has never been changed from 84 to 85 wins, so he remains tied with Darrell Waltrip on the NASCAR win list.
It would only be right, tonight when he is inducted into the Hall of Fame, if NASCAR changed the errant record and acknowledged Bobby as the third most winning driver in NASCAR history.
But...right and NASCAR are not always compatible, so I doubt it will ever happen. Three cheers for Bobby!!!
Bobby Allison's 85th race win in question?
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A tricky one there. I could be wrong but the race was originally considered a NASCAR Grand American event but years later NASCAR changed it to a Grand National event. Someone here surely has the answer.
IT would not be an error if NASCAR has it listed as a Grand National win even if it wasoriginallya GA event.
There is an error in the books that I am almost sure of. Richard Petty's win at Texas in 1972 was his first in a Dodge Charger but the winning car is listed as a Plymouth.
Should Jr be in the All Star race (we all know he will be)
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Jr did not say he was looking foward to the 600 but he is with out a doubt. I agree with Patty K that this event is a dog and pony show
Bumpertag said:
Back in the day when I went to every race at Charlotte I prayed for night races. Fair skin don't hold up very well. I've seen spectators pass out and many have to be helped out due to the heat at the 600. The drivers had relieve drivers standing by and the crews melted behind the wall. So I understand the fans loving the night races. I'm not as big a fan myself since I no longer go to more than 1 or 2 races a year. Richard I agree it's not the same but I won't say it's lacking excitement as I watch from my recliner.
But what about Jr and the All Star race? Not sure he said this so he could focus on the 600. Just seems he just not excited about running the race. Not the attitude I look for in a racer.
Should Jr be in the All Star race (we all know he will be)
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I have never thought much of races that do not pay points but then again for some it is a good thing if your driveris a front runner.
Jr has been getting a bad rap recently but I like him because he is more concerned about buckling up for a 600 mile race.
The 600 used to have meaning to me when it was run during the day ....nice and hot and real long. Of course we cater to the fandom having a night race. This is part of what is missing.
Back in the day they ran Dover and Charlotte in consecutive weeks. Can you imagine having to pull 500 laps at Dover then going to Charlotte staring at 600 miles ?
I just do not think this deal is as tough compared to what used to take place.