KEYSTONE COPS AND THAT PANDORA BOX

Johnny Mallonee
@johnny-mallonee
11 years ago
3,259 posts

The Pandoras Box is opened and for NASCAR, it might never close again.

Those inside NASCAR understand that certain nuances occur between teams and drivers on a weekly basis that alter the outcome of a race. Some rituals such as allowing a teammate to lead a lap or one driver offering another his lap back are commonplace within the fabric of the sport.

But some of the team strategies that were publicized after the race at Richmond International Raceway on Saturday whether it was Clint Bowyer s spin, Brian Vickers decision to pit or David Gilliland offering a position on the track to Joey Logano might have fans watching the sport in a whole new light.

A lot of people have different opinions of it, and thats the delicate part that NASCAR is trying to deal with, said Johnson, a five-time Sprint Cup champion. Letting someone lead a lap has been a no-brainer. It hasnt offended anyone over the years. A lap back, back in the day when we were able to do that kind of thing, didnt bother anyone.

But it sure seems like and for rightful reasons a lot of sensitivity when it comes to the last race and the impact it had on who went into the Chase. Its a slippery slope, and once you look at Richmond and one point puts the 24 ( Jeff Gordon ) in you can look at the course of a whole 25- or 26-race schedule and think of a point here or there could have made a difference.

Ive seen the term Pandoras Box quite a few times, and I agree its opened it up.

Johnson insists there have never been any team orders at Hendrick Motorsports "to pull over and let someone go. Johnson says there's only one order from team owner Rick Hendrick and thats not to wreck your teammate."

But Johnsons teammate Dale Earnhardt Jr. said he is surprised that the most recent chain of events appears to be a revelation to a sector of the fan base. Technical information or strategies are discussed during team meetings all the time, and it's not necessarily nefarious.

It amazes me," Earnhardt said. "People ask all the time whether we share information amongst the (Hendrick) teams. You wouldnt believe how open the books are. I guess people just assume that (No. 48 team crew chief) Chad Knaus is hiding everything in a little folder and that none of us can see what Jimmies got, but the book is wide open.

"Everything thats happening between the teams, the information is flowing like a damn river. I dont know why that surprises people. People ask me all the time: How much information do you share? People are so surprised what goes on.

It definitely has a new test when it comes to several different drivers in one team sort of working in one direction. In the past, its been the guy with the flat tire that needs a caution. Or the guy at Talladega that has lost the draft and is throwing roll bar padding out the window or something like that. Weve all done that or thought about doing that. But this is definitely a new twist on things. Its gotten a ton of traction."

Johnson, like most of the competitors, believes that NASCAR needs to do a better job of policing the sport. He knows they cant listen to every radio, every second of the race but the technology is there for the results not to linger five days beyond the checkered flag. And at a time when the sanctioning body is drastically decreasing its officiating department, the timing couldnt be worse.

We can make a great attempt at (doing a more thorough job) of policing, that's what I continue to mention to the NASCAR brass when I speak to them, Johnson said. Its certainly top of the mind for them. This is not a position they want to be in. Even through the Chase, our minds are all on things right now with the final race into the Chase, but this stuff could happen come two or three races left into the championship battle and I dont want that in our sport.

Hopefully, we can be aware, make the right adjustments, from NASCARs standpoint and do a little better job of policing it. Long term, ultimately and I know its a farfetched idea we need to make some changes and look at all options. But to try to make these decisions, we have the technology out there. We dont have it in hand yet, but lets find a way to police this stuff live time and try to make decisions in the race. Its no fun when you have to worry about making decisions Monday or Tuesday because its the racing that should dictate the finish and who is in and out.

Johnson acknowledged that his teammate Gordon, who missed the Chase, is a perfect example. After Bowyers spin on Saturday night and the subsequent shuffling of positions on pit road Gordon went from being in the Chase field to out. Although NASCARs point penalty involving the Michael Waltrip Racing drivers corrected Ryan Newmans position Newman was leading the race at the time of the spin Gordon received no relief.

Earnhardt agrees that technology and transparency is the key to maintaining law in the sport. While spins happen on the race track all the time, when it happens to benefit a driver, usually its not news. Although Earnhardt was racing with Bowyer when the spin happened and witnessed the event, he doesnt believe that an admission of guilt is necessary to determine what happened.

Everybody is like, The only way were going to know is if Clint admits it,' Earnhardt said. We have all this data. You can look at how he drove the car through the corner a hundred times and watch his brake and throttle and watch it that lap and see what you think. It wouldnt be that difficult.

As much as you think you can camouflage this or pull these smoke and mirrors, the media or the fans can connect the dots.

Still, NASCARs most popular driver made it clear he definitely doesnt want to run the sport because hed hate to be faced with the challenges the sanctioning body has had to make this week. Earnhardt said he hasnt thoroughly reviewed the decision that NASCAR made on Monday, and he has mixed feelings on his teammate Gordon and his friend Martin Truex Jr. watching the Chase from the outside.

Theres a million different things they could have done differently, and I dont know if they did the right thing, Earnhardt said. Youve got to sit back and think about why they made the decisions they made, as far as how the penalties were working out and how the penalties affect certain drivers. You got to sort of see what their logic is on it.

Its a unique thing. Its a fascinating situation. When I read the fines and penalties and then I looked at the points and was like, What the hell? Thats what happened. I need to sit down and really think about why NASCAR chose to do it the way they did it and see what the logic was behind it, and Im sure it makes a lot of sense.

Although some competitors might take offense at NASCAR adopting a heavy-handed role, Earnhardt would welcome a greater big brother attitude from the sanctioning body. He was glad NASCAR moved in and did something after Richmond and feels its necessary to keep a level playing field in the garage. The problem is that officiating is a never-ending job.

Its important for them to govern, Earnhardt said. We need them to make themselves known. They need to be the boss. We need to know that theyre there. I kind of get frustrated when they say, Man, dont let us get involved, dont fool around with these restarts and get us in the middle of this. I want them in the middle of it. Get in there and do it. We need that. We need them to have that control.

They do a real good job but leaving it in our hands, man, is probably not very smart because were going to try and work in the gray area. Were always going to work in the gray area. And NASCARs job is to go behind us and patch those gray areas up and make them black and white. And then well find that next gray area and thats just the way its going to go.

portions from Lee Spencer


updated by @johnny-mallonee: 12/05/16 04:04:08PM
Tim Leeming
@tim-leeming
11 years ago
3,119 posts

Guess I wasn't original with my "Pandora's Box" statements, OR, perhaps, someone was reading our home page and realized, as have all of us, that The Chase is a joke and has, subsequently, made NASCAR appear as a joke. I almost dread encountering my friend at church Sunday who has been trying so hard to understand stock car racing since he and I became acquainted. He has asked me questions, every Sunday, about something that has occurred in the sport and the question of The Chase has come up three or four times because he doesn't understand how racing can have something so "contrived" as he says. Should be fun Sunday explaining intentional spins, pits stops not needed, how a guy can be penalized 50 points BUT still be in The Chase and so many other things sure to come up. No, I have no plans to change churches, may just change sports. Anyone know where I can find a good checkers match?




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What a change! It's been awhile since I've checked in and I'm quite surprised. It may take me awhile to figure it our but first look it's really great.

Tommie  Clinard
@tommie-clinard
11 years ago
209 posts

It was stated in the driver's meeting that in no way will anyone do anything that will alter the final results of this race. There is no gray area here....just black and white.

Maybe things were done in the past and there was no penalty for it but they stated....."this race."

This was a big race as it set the field for the chase. Like the chase of lump it. It is what it is.

Patsy Thompkins ~ Keisler
@patsy-thompkins-keisler
11 years ago
559 posts

Could it be, that with the above statements made about the "lack of" NASCAR's consistency and involvement, that they thought they could get away with it this time, as well?

I think it would virtually be impossible to "police" everything. Racers are just that...Racers, and I don't think NASCAR will ever fully control the actions of the Teams, or Drivers. Somebody is going to always push the envelope.

I mean..Jeff put it as plainly as he could the other night on air, some will do whatever it takes. Do, I agree with that? Well, not necessarily...but, that is what I grew up around. And, therefore I recognize and understand that mentality. "Bad Boy Syndrome" has also gotten a lot of women...in situations as well.

I certainly don't want anybody pulling punches with "my guys" when we run. Win, fair and square. However, it is something that is going to take place with the others...from now, until the end of time. Doesn't make it acceptable...BUT, understandable...

Tim Leeming
@tim-leeming
11 years ago
3,119 posts

Nice Expose` on NBC National News tonight as to the "NASCAR Cheating Scandal". I didn't see it, but I've heard all about it. Thanks Mr. Waltrip and the rest of you for all you did to make NASCAR a bigger laughing stock than anyone has managed to do yet, even Brian.




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What a change! It's been awhile since I've checked in and I'm quite surprised. It may take me awhile to figure it our but first look it's really great.

Patsy Thompkins ~ Keisler
@patsy-thompkins-keisler
11 years ago
559 posts

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Johnny Mallonee
@johnny-mallonee
11 years ago
3,259 posts

You know Brian France said a statement this week that kinda sums his position up in Nascar..

He elected to say he made a 13th spot in the chase because,well because he could essentially. Now Jeff is in too, so whats in store for next week or next year.

Some of our seasoned drivers and owners may recall going to the races where there were three or four and sometimes five heat races to get a feature schedule sorted out, and then there was a last chance consolation race held where only the top three made the cut---and that was final.

Now adays they run all year long and still dont have a clue as to who is in unless he spins to let him in front only to get tripped by a sneeze in the mike that may or may not be intended as a signal to pit for a tissue only to secure another car a spot in the cakewalk..

Dale would have walked across the pits to find the culprit that sneezed and made sure he had a tissue with him before he left the pits again.

All this boils down to is ---its always been in racing, pushing the limits to see if you could get an edge on the other. Richard Petty, Bobby Allison, Smokey Unick, JimmE Johnson and Chad, and anyone else that wanted to win. I did it and sometimes the bull gets you and sometimes there is no bull. PEOPLE get over it,its part of the game,read the rules real close,you aint reading them close enough. Junior Johnson can sure as heck read them right and anyone of that era of racing can attest to that .. But boy I bet there are some of you that say you are a cheater if you bend the rules or read the rules a little differently than another.... H U H ?

Johnny Mallonee
@johnny-mallonee
11 years ago
3,259 posts

Kinda favors Larry - Mo - and Curly or hear no evil,see no evil but speak a little evil,

that is what Mike is referring to isnt it

Patsy Thompkins ~ Keisler
@patsy-thompkins-keisler
11 years ago
559 posts

Johnny...I am just going to say, what Bobby has so eloquently taught me through the course of this year.....Yup!! (to all of the above)

James G Ball
@james-g-ball
11 years ago
20 posts

BIG BILL is rolling in the grave thinking didn't I teach you nothing boy referring to Brian I will do what I want France, what a joke our wonderful sports has become, along with Big Bill all the pioneers of the sport have got to be shaking there heads and wondering what in the world is going on, this is racing it easy go fast turn left the first car wins. This is not the WWE its not a show with a planed outcome the whole chase thing is a joke run the full season the guy with the most points wins, not hard to do they did it for years. The set up now I might just as well watch only 10 races a year I'm 69 years old and I love my NASCAR racing the way it was when real men drove real race cars. that's all I have to say