2 car push racing

paul crawford
@paul-crawford
13 years ago
64 posts

is it just me...or does this 2 car pushing racing suck ?? unless you like waiting for the inevitable

BIG ONE ...


updated by @paul-crawford: 12/05/16 04:02:07PM
Bumpertag
@bumpertag
13 years ago
363 posts
I'm not a big fan of the tandem racing, but it is better than 1 pack of 35 cars running 3 wide all day. I was at Dega in April and it was exciting with the closing rate and it made for one of the best finishes ever.
paul crawford
@paul-crawford
13 years ago
64 posts

at least i didnt have to watch it on mrn...lol..been painting the basement foundation walls today...

took a break to watch the last 40 laps of pushing to the end...

paul crawford
@paul-crawford
13 years ago
64 posts
im sure the big one shall be soon jimmy
Tim Leeming
@tim-leeming
13 years ago
3,119 posts
I watched every lap. And I'm still not sure what I saw. I didn't especially like it but like BT, it was better than the one pack of 35 cars running three wide. It seems the love affair is over.


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What a change! It's been awhile since I've checked in and I'm quite surprised. It may take me awhile to figure it our but first look it's really great.

Bumpertag
@bumpertag
13 years ago
363 posts
I've always assumed the wanning love for NASCAR was because of age and other important things such as family. Some of you here have brought to my attention some of the cold hard facts that may be the true cause. Thanks for openning my eyes.
Bobby Williamson
@bobby-williamson
13 years ago
907 posts
I watched every lap too, and totally wasted a Sunday afternoon in the process. This two-car 'racing' adds yet another element to the mix...if something happens (wrecks, mechanical, political) to one's designated partner, that's it. Toast.
Bumpertag
@bumpertag
13 years ago
363 posts
I still enjoy the races at the restrictor plate tracks to a degree, but I would have have independent racing. The sports finds itself in a pickle, the cars MUST be kept under "Lift Off" speed, 200MPH or so, and the drivers have found the tandem racing and how to best us it. What can be done to prevent this??? Be serious, tell us all what will work.
Bobby Williamson
@bobby-williamson
13 years ago
907 posts

The primary, basic, and fundamental cause of the problem is the race tracks...Daytona and Talladega were built before any of these aerodynamic/safety issues were understood. Big Bill's design criteria for Daytona: same size as Indianapolis (2.5 miles) only faster....a lot faster. Ten years later, 1969, the criteria for Talladega: create the next generation of Daytona. The aero/safety problems at 'Dega began immediately, with the driver boycott, etc. etc. and continues to the present. However, ISC is not going to change the track design, and admit a fundamental design flaw.

With the body-induced aero-profile being exactly the same foreach car, changing any body parameter, fuel cell size, pop-off-valve pressure yields an overall net effect of zero. The 35-car- pack returns or the tandem racing remains.Speed still being the problem, and with very little options left, NASCAR should havemandated drastically smaller and unrestricted engines for the super-speedways years ago....it would have proven cheaper than the route they taken. Who needs 900 horsepower anyway? 305 CI engines powering the speedway racers may look slow, but that's about the only solution left.

Dave Fulton
@dave-fulton
13 years ago
9,137 posts
yes


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Dave Fulton
@dave-fulton
13 years ago
9,137 posts
The "Golden Rule" - He who has the gold rules.


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Dave Fulton
@dave-fulton
13 years ago
9,137 posts
Turn the clock back 45 years to 1966 and we have Richard Petty winning his second Daytona 500with the "downsized" 405 cubic inch hemi under his hood. He won his first in 1964 with a 426 cubic inch hemi that was reduced to 405 after the 1965 Chrysler boycott.


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Dave Fulton
@dave-fulton
13 years ago
9,137 posts
Slow 'em down 30 mph or so, but with V-8 power. If you ever went to a Busch Series race during the "6 Cylinder Experiment," that was the most irritating sound I have ever heard at a racetrack.


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Dave Fulton
@dave-fulton
13 years ago
9,137 posts

I have been a longtime fan of Jeff Burton and here's his take on two-car tandems, which I will continue to oppose.

Jeff Burton says keep the two-car tandem at Talladega
Published: Monday, October 24, 2011, 10:40 AM
By Doug Demmons - The Birmingham News al.com

TALLADEGA, Alabama -- Count Jeff Burton as a big advocate of two-car tandem racing at Talladega.

The driver known as the Mayor of the Garage for his thoughtful views said he thinks tandem racing is safer than the old days of big drafting packs and the Big One.

"I personally think that there is an advantage to the tandem thing," Burton said. "There's some disadvantages to it. The one thing it does do is it does separate the field a little bit."

He said tandem racing creates wrecks but "there's less cars wrecked because of the tandem thing versus not having it."

"To me this accomplishes a little bit of spreading the pack out without making the racing boring," he said. "Because of that I think they ought to keep it the way it is and not hamper our ability to tandem draft because it doesn't hurt the quality of racing."




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paul crawford
@paul-crawford
13 years ago
64 posts

maybe he should watch an afternoon of it and see if he feels the same way ???

opinions are like other body parts...everybody has one...lol

Bobby Williamson
@bobby-williamson
13 years ago
907 posts
Maybe there's a very low tech solution, after all.........change the car's front and rear configurations, so theyDON'T line up perfectly. As a final touch each car's front bumper area would be required to beUNDER-engineered, and unable to push anything for very long without suffering dooming damage.
Bumpertag
@bumpertag
13 years ago
363 posts
Here's my opinion and before you come baring torches and pitchforks, think about it. It's simple but expensive, lower the banking so the drivers have to lift. Lower it a little and ruduce the size of the rear spoiler a lot. Lower the banking a lot and lower the rear spoiler a little. Make the drivers lift. They lift at every other track, make them do it at Daytona and Talladega as well. Let the drivers skill determine how deep to run into the corner. Told ya, it's simple.
Bobby Williamson
@bobby-williamson
13 years ago
907 posts
Couldn't agree more, the track's the problem......but we've already considered the changing-the-track option.....and that won't ever happen. To change the tack would be an admission of error or fault of the original design. Not an option.
Bumpertag
@bumpertag
13 years ago
363 posts
Well if lowering the banking is not the option then the only thing to do is reduce the rear spoiler. If it is reduced enough they will be slow enough through the corners that they may not be able to reach the 200 MPH limit before the next turn. Lets be serious, the track and the speed reached at said trackare the problems. If the track don't change the then cars must change. Put a 2 inch spoilor on it and let them go. We will be able to see talent and balls once again in NASCAR instead of clever engineering. I still like dropping the banking better myself. The racing would be much better and the drivers would have to lift.
Dave Fulton
@dave-fulton
13 years ago
9,137 posts
I will say this, in my humble opinion, the racing on the original lower banked Bristol and Rockingham tracks was much superior to what takes place at those venues today. I have 8mm color film footage I took at Rockingham in March 1966 of Cale Yarborough in the red #27Banjo Matthews Ford and Jim Paschal in the maroon #14 Friedken Enterprises Plymouth running side-by-side for the lead lap after lap after lap after lap. That never happened at Rockingham after the banking was increased. Ditto the racing at Bristol. They upped the banking and turned it into a crash fest.


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Tommie  Clinard
@tommie-clinard
13 years ago
209 posts
I too like the two car push better than the 35 car frieght train. I think it is exciting racing. You have no idea who will be leading the next lap. It will never return to those days of yesteryear. So enjoy it or start watching baseball or shuffle board or ..............??
Bumpertag
@bumpertag
13 years ago
363 posts

The pack racing was much worst than the tandem racing to me.I was at Talladega in April and it's hard to question the results when you have 8 cars fighting for the win and they all finish in less than a half second of each other. 4 rows of two was exciting.

Dave Fulton
@dave-fulton
13 years ago
9,137 posts
I guess we've all got an opinion - some quite different from others.


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Mike Wachowiak
@mike-wachowiak
13 years ago
2 posts
It is still chain car racing without the chain. Goofy looking unless it is on a dirt figure 8 speedway. Secondly, I guess we will never find out which of an assembly line built Camero, Mustang, or Challenger(not forgetting Chargers, Camerys, and any other STOCK BODY cars) modified by expert machanics is truely fastest in the hands of a good driver without the benefit of purpose built tires.I will never be a fan of decals on boxes designed by NASCAR that have no manufacturer loyalty. I'll stick to small town tracks where real racers race for the dream of earning at least one checker flag. Long live the good ole days.