WHEN A MISCONCEPTION IS A GREAT LOSS. NASCAR HALL OF FAME

Tim Leeming
@tim-leeming
13 years ago
3,119 posts

As we all know, humans are prone to error, some of us much more so than others. But then there are those like Randy Myers who won't let such errors continue when he is able to have some input. An example of Randy's perserverance is what brought me, along with Devin Alexander, Frances Flock, Bill Rossi, Wayne Wilson, Leon Phillips, Darren Grigsby, and Jimmy Johnson together with Randy at The NASCAR Hall of Fame in Charlotte on Friday, November 18, 2011. While I had intended to visit the HOF at some point in my life, it was the conversation between Randy and I about six months prior that started the challenge of visiting the HOF. I had made several negative comments about how I thought the HOF was operated and what they were doing wrong. If there has ever been an example of talking about things of which you have no personal experience and being wrong, this is that example.

Randy and I continued our running "discussions" about the HOFuntil early October when he threw down the "racing glove" and said let's do it. We mutually agreed on November 18th and then Randy said "let's see if we can get some others to join us". I secretly knew his ploy. He was trying to get a group together in front of whom I would embarrass myself to have to admit I was wrong about what the HOF represents. Devin, Leon, Wayne and I left a cold parking lot in Columbia at 8:20 a.m. and headed out. Leon had talked to Frances Flock and she wanted to go with us so we were to stop off in "Indian Land" and pick her up. Everything was going well until we had the GPS try to find the address off "Possum Hollow" (I swear that's the street) and between GPS and road signs we were so lost we felt as though we were destined to wander in the wilderness of South Carolina for at least 40 years. Leon got Frances on the phone and she guided us in my instruments and at last we arrived at Possum Hollow to find Ms. Flock standing in the driveway to flag us in.

Once in the van, Frances took us to a highway that led us directly to the Hall of Fame Building in downtown Charlotte without having to fight the I77 traffic.It was a very bright and sunny North Carolina fall morning and the first sight of the HOF was much akin to the first site of The Emerald City when Dorothy and her fellow travels were going to see the wizard. What a beautifully, sparkling facade was presented to the public approaching the building. Frances dutifully directed us to the parking garage and we found a place within a very short distance of the door to the HOF. So far, so good.

We walked around the building to the entrance and as you come around the corner, you are looking through the glass at the front end of the field on the track of dreams starting with the 39 or 40 Ford, moving to the Hudson Hornet Tim Flock drove, and moving on back through Lee Petty's '59 Olds, The Kings '67 Plymouth and continuing. It was almost magical to see. Then, ahead of us waiting at the door was Jimmy Johnson! What a surprise, a very happy surprise to find Jimmy there. We didn't know he was coming.

As we entered the building to buy our tickets, there was Mr. Myers smiling and waiting. I could tell from the twinkle in his eyes that I was to enjoy a special day at the HOF as it seemed his mission was to make sure I left there impressed with what I saw. After buying our tickets, we went the to the registration spot to register our NASCAR HOF "hard card" which would allow us access to many different facets of the HOF. From there, it was into the theater to view the short (maybe 10-12 minute) presentation.

So, what was the presentation in the theater like? Let's just said I was NOT the only one to admit a little lump in the throat or mist in the eyes as we watched video of events from the beginning to the modern day which were presented in such rapid fire motion that it was difficult to absorb it all. That is a theater well worth sitting in for four or five viewings, AT LEAST, to begin to see it all.

We left the theater and began to tour the first floor. Impressive? To a degree but I'm secretly thinking this is exactly what I expected. Alot of shiny objects with no substance. It was about that time that Randy said "wait until we get to the third floor". Frances backed up that statement although the rest of us couldn't understand the meaning of that promise, or threat. We just didn't know at the time.

After touring the first floor and viewing so much it defies written descriptiion, we ascended to the second floor. It was impressive with many interactive attractions including full size simulations which I did not attempt for two reasons: 1) I wasn't sure I could get out of it afterwards as I have experienced such problems in the past with race cars recently, and 2) that was a $5.00 extra charge which I just didn't feel like spending. But there were many other interactive attractions which were no addition cost, the most interesting of which was allowing anyone to compete against anyone else in mock-fueling a car and changing the left rear tire on a pit stop. I watched a couple people participate with this action and when the wife beat the hubby on the time pit stop there was high-fiving every bit as enthusiastic as Jimmie Johnson having a very quick pit stop. I didn't try that or we may still be there with me trying to get the tire back on. Now it was time to venture to the third floor(sometimes called the fourth floor for reasons of which I'm not sure).

As the elevator doors opened on that floor I was half expecting to see the Wizard of Oz behind the current making magic happen. After 10 minutes on that floor, I was convinced that even had the Wizard of Oz had the powers to which he claimed title, he could not have begun to conjur up that magic. Wow! No, WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This was the floor which reflects the heritage and the history of the sport in very tangible, very visual ways. Frances Flock's extensive scrap books were all on a computer system where you could interact and view the actual scrap book articles which contain a most detailed history of the sport. I read more than 20 minutes worth and could have stayed right there all day. All around were videos running of events in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. The actual video and Ken Squire calling the last lap of the 1979 Daytona 500 on a screen located right behind the full size mock up of Donnie and Cale's cars from that day. Bill Rossi finally answered the constantly ringing telephone on the wall as it was becoming most distracting and Bill received instructions from Raymond Parks to "go with the changes in set up". Life size statutes of Big Bill, Raymond Park, Red Vogt and others were all around. As we walked and read and looked, there were so many artifacts of our early days it was sensory overload. We saw some of Tim Flock's trophys from the 50s, pictures of cars and drivers, some of whom I had put so far in the back of my mind that I had not recalled them in years. So very much to see, hear and take in.

I walked around one of the kiosk displays and looked in the glass display box. I am sure anyone observing could have distinguished the cold chills that caused me to shiver. There, in front of me, behind glass, was one of those Smokey Yunick hats he always wore. You could tell by looking that it was actually worn extensively by Smokey. How incredible.

By this time we were all hungry so we went down to the Buffalo Wings located right there in the HOF. To say we were treated like racing royalty woud be, in my opinion, stating it midly. Everyone we encountered working in the place was extraordinarily helpful, courteous and friendly. The food was outstanding, I mean REALLY outstanding. When I got my bill at the end of the meal I was shocked at how reasonable the charge. My usual fare at McDonalds of Chick-Fil-A would have been about the same. I was impressed.

During and after the meal the conversation was flowing all around our table of eight (Jimmy had to leave and head back to Rockingham before we ate). The stories from Frances, Bill and Randy could keep a fan spellbound. All three of those individuals have first hand stories from the history of racing that could fill books. Maybe I should go to college and learn to be a writer so I could put all that in book form. We finished up our food and conversation ant decided to go back to the third floor for one last hour of trying to see all we had missed. Quite truthfully, for fans like those of us here on Racers Reunion, this particular floor is at least a full day event. It is a non-stop panarama of beautifully preserved artifacts, films, pictures and on and on.

Our day was ending as we all gathered (except Randy who also had to leave a little early) on the third floor and just engaged in general conversation of opinions, comments, remarks, and thoughts. Darren (a/k/a Bumpertag) is a very knowledgeable and passionate individual about his sport. It was a great pleasure to get to know him in the course of the day. He added so much to the enjoyment of all of us with his comments.

So it was time to leave and get out of down town Charlotte before rush hour. Once again, my trusty GPS, now known as Frances Flock, guided us safety and wonderfully out of the city and a return to Possum Hollow. When we arrived at her home, she invited us in to see her memrobelia. Her two car garage in which a car has never been would be my guess, is covered with hundrers of pictures of Tim's career and NASCAR history and so many of his trophies. She took us on the tour and show us special things she has saved over the years that can not be bought for any price. That was truly a very special treat for all of us to have that as an ending to the day.

Then the four of us from Columbia boarded the van and struck out for I77 with a promise to call Frances and let her know when we got to the Interstate as we were convinced that you could not possibly return from Possum Hollow to I-77 without the ruby slippers Dorothy used to return from Oz. But we did, and we made it safely back to Columbia. We stood in the parking lot for a few minutes and discussed our trip and then we each went our separate ways.

I had last night and most of today to think about that trip. Also to think about what deep gratitude I owe to Randy Myers to forcing the issue and getting me off my duff to get to Charlotte. What a wonderful experience to share that day with some really fine folks. Then to sit here writing this and realizing that yesterday I was in the presence of some of the most famous names in NASCAR racing, Myers, Flock, and Rossi, going through a museum that contained a lot of their families history. You know what? It also contained a lot of my growing up. What can one really say about something like that. Thanks to each of them for spending time together. We all agree that we are going to do it again, and, frankly, probably somewhat often because to spend a day like that sort of takes the edge off days that aren't really that good. Thanks to each one of you, all of you, for being a part of that special day in Charlotte. Thanks to each of you readers who have gotten to the end of this. I truly believe no matter who writes the description of the events yesterday or the actual experience of the Hall of Fame, the printed word will not come close to the actual experience, cannot even begin to relate that feeling. This is one of those times when you truly HAD TO HAVE BEEN THERE.

This old man was wrong. While that is not an anomily in itself, it seems I outdid myself with my previously unwarranted bashing of the HOF. I was wrong but I have seen the light. I have seen the light of the shining building in downtown Charlotte which is much more that what it appears from the outside and much more than contained in the name on the building facade. It IS a Hall of Fame. But it is also a Hall of Memories of yesterday, and God willing, a window to the future of what the sport can become with the passion that Bumpertag and I discussed yesterday. The passion is there, not as someone my age remembers, but nevertheless, still passion. Don't believe it? Watch Randy Myers' eyes when he talks about certain exhibits. Hear the excitement in Frances Flock's voice anytime she is talking about her husband. Feel the excitement in Bill Rossi's presence when he sees his father's cars in pictures throughout the museum.

Will I go back? Yes. Will those who went with me go back? They all say so. Should you go? Yes, if you are a fan, were a fan, or think you may ever be a fan, visit the NASCAR Hall of Fame.




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What a change! It's been awhile since I've checked in and I'm quite surprised. It may take me awhile to figure it our but first look it's really great.


updated by @tim-leeming: 12/05/16 04:02:57PM
Jeff Gilder
@jeff-gilder
13 years ago
1,783 posts

Nice report, Mr. Legend!! Wish I could have been there with y'all.




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Tim Leeming
@tim-leeming
13 years ago
3,119 posts

Jimmy, you added some extra special so I'm very happy you came over as is everyone else in the group. Jeff, it would have been awesome for you to have been there too. Maybe next time we can all do it. I'm still trying to absorb it all. We were actually there yesterday with folks who lived it all IN the sport, not just in the infield like I was.




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What a change! It's been awhile since I've checked in and I'm quite surprised. It may take me awhile to figure it our but first look it's really great.

Leon Phillips
@leon-phillips
13 years ago
626 posts

You are right Legdon that was one heck of a trip and the hall is fantastic and i will go again but allso its the people that i was with that realy made it Special thanks to all of them for a first class tour to everybody if you get a chance visit the Hall of Fame it is well worth it AKA JF Mudslinger

Bumpertag
@bumpertag
13 years ago
363 posts
Tim, thank you for putting into words what I can only feel in my soul. When I first approuched you I greeted you with the words, "I'm in the presents of The Legend." By the end of the day I felt so honored to be there with Ms. Flock, Randy and Bill because of there family's history IN this sport, and so thrilled to be there with the great fans from Racers Reunion. I was in the presents of wonderful people that love this sport like I do.I want to echo your insistants that any fan, from any era, visit the NASCAR Hall of Fame. There is something there for you. I am amazed at the enjoyment I had in this, my second trip to the Hall, and it is because of the people and the stories that magnified the exhibits and items there in every area of the building. Thanks to all for making this so memorable.
Johnny Mallonee
@johnny-mallonee
13 years ago
3,259 posts

Great job Tim--I can set here and close my eyes and see you looking,reading,re-reading,watching and just being in awe of what you have in front of you to digest.

I havent been there yet but Darlington,Talledega, and Daytona have impressed me with their artifacts I am sure,by the way you described it, I will be in Hog-Heaven. Thank You for the tour Legend style--------------------------------memories

Bill Rossi
@bill-rossi
13 years ago
15 posts

Tim,

You hit the nail on the head. The trip was well worth it and I am sure to do it again. Thanks for writing a great piece on the Hall. It was great to see all the old items that walked you through time in a great sport.

I can tell you that I meet more and more people from the sport of racing whether a fan or an actual member and there are always people to brag about. Thanks again for inviting me to spend the day with a great bunch of people. I can not wait until the next event so I can meet more people that I will be proud and honored to call my friend.

Thanks to everyone for taking time to get together.

Michael Riffle
@michael-riffle
13 years ago
2 posts

I will go to the Hall of Fame when Raymond Parks is rightfully placed in the hall. Until then. I'm staying home. This to me is a huge historical travesty. No one man did more for the sport than Raymond Parks.

Tommie  Clinard
@tommie-clinard
13 years ago
209 posts

You got that right Michael. If not for Raymond and his money there might not be a NASCAR. He has never gotten the recognition that he so deserves. I will visit the HoF and hope to do it soon. I was introduced to the sport of NASCAR Racing when it was four (4) years old and I started driving when it was eight (8) years old so I grew up in NASCAR. It holds a place in my heart as well as my wife's as she grew up in it also. Her Father was an official in the early '50's plus a Grand National (now Cup) car owner.

I enjoyed your article very much Tim. It caused me to want to go just that much more. And for you and the rest to be in the company of Franceshad to be most enjoyable. She is oneFine Lady. I enjoy being around her as she is so proud of what Tim accomplished in racing.I am sure that her presence added greatly to your trip through the Hall.

Thanks for sharing it Tim.

Cody Dinsmore
@cody-dinsmore
13 years ago
589 posts

Amen, that's just all I can say right now, and all we can do is hope. Not everyone knows who Raymond is and what he done, that's why he's not getting voted for. It is our job to educate people that YES, there was history before the 70's!

-Cody

Tim Leeming
@tim-leeming
13 years ago
3,119 posts

Just a thought here. I agree that Raymond Parks should have been in the first class of inductees, no question. I also agree there are many others deserving to be enshrined already. I also agree that inducting only 5 a year is ludicrous and that to have D.W. inducted before so many other deserving individuals (and this statement has nothing to do with my strong dislike of D.W.). But this I have to say: We visited the HOF with Frances Flock whose husband should have already gone in or at least be on the list for next year, but he's not. Yet, the pride in Ms. Flock's demeanor and voice as she showed us around the HOF were unmistakeable. She is very proud of what has been done there and whether or not her husband ever goes in would have little reason to change her feelings. She is a remarkable lady. Also with us were Randy Myers and Bill Rossi, both from very famous racing families, neither of which has their father included in upcoming balloting. Yet both are proud and excited for what we have in Charlotte. Without Randy's insistance, it is likely I would not have been there yet, although I'm sure my love for the sport would have eventually lured me there. I also know this. I will never be nominated, selected, mentioned or considered for any Hall of Fame nor any other awards that may be offered up in racing. Maybe I'm a little weird, but that doesn't matter to me. I'm living the dream with this site and what I do here and the honors I receive from being able to associate with such fine people as I do.




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What a change! It's been awhile since I've checked in and I'm quite surprised. It may take me awhile to figure it our but first look it's really great.

Randy Myers2
@randy-myers2
13 years ago
219 posts

Tim!! Thanks for the glowing recap of our day at the HOF. I couldn't have said it better myself. It was an honor to be able to be with you folks last Friday. Spending some time with Mrs. Flock and Bill Rossi as well as the rest of the group made my 3rd trip to the HOF even more memorable than the tirst two. I'm glad my goading paid off in such a wonderful day. I hope to do it again soon. Best $16.15 I have spent in a while and thanks again for the lunch.

But as you well know, I gotta stir the pot a little since PKL and Mr. Riffle have rained on your parade.

Any of you who know me know there are things the racing gods in Florida do that don't sit well with me. Some things will never change. BUT! The city of Charlotte and the folks at NASCAR have done a remarkable job with theHOF. They have also done a good job with the membership committee for the HOF. You folks must remember there were so many "legends" who contributed so much to the humble beginnings of the sport welike to call our own that some will be overlooked in theprocess. Is Raymond Parks one of them? YES! But heWILL beinducted in time as will many other includingFrances Flocks husband Tim and many others including (hopefully) the Myers Brothers, the remaining Flocks, and many more. Remember, it has taken over 50 years to reach the number of honorees in the NMPA HOF (Weatherly Museum @ Darlington). They average less than 2 new members each year there. But here is a little food for thought. If those we hold dear are for some reason overlooked for induction into the hall that honors our "legends", remember this. They are already there in some way. Their memories exist in not only our minds, but the minds and hearts of thousands of fans who saw them do what they did so well. Raymond Parks, Tim, Fonty and Bob Flock, Billy and Bobby Myers and dozens of other deserving "legends" are there in photos, trophies and artifacts and memories for all to enjoy each time we walk the halls. To not honor all who are or will be enshrined there somedaybecauseanother deserving personhasn't been honored yet and to use that as an excuse to not go will only deprive those who choose to feel that way, a chance to see a wonderful tribute to "our" sport.It is your loss if you don't make the trip.

Jeff Gilder
@jeff-gilder
13 years ago
1,783 posts

Well said, Randy! I couldn't agree with you more. I haven't been there yet, but fully intend to go....hopefully multiple times.




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Michael Riffle
@michael-riffle
13 years ago
2 posts

Randy

This wasn't meant as raining on anyone's parade. Just my humble opinion regarding, as a feel an ultimate transgression and there is more to the Raymond Parks story that hasn't been told and been twisted through history revision. I've always looked at three significant figures regarding Nascar's great history. Two got in on the first voting and one was left off. Without Raymond Parks there would have been a Nascar. When they sat at the Streamline Hotel in Florida to supposedly suppress the unscrupulous promoters. Men like Red Vogt, Parks and others were their own sanctioning bodies. Red Vogt with NASCR, which evolved to the current name of Nascar. Bill France Sr was broke at that time, Raymond Parks carried the sport in it's infancy. First championship car owner, with Red Vogt building those cars. Not only once but twice. Second was Junior Johnson who took the sport With RJ Reynolds to it's Zenith and Bill France Jr who had the foresight to see what Junior brought to the Table then Ran with ESPN to bring it in our living rooms on a weekly basis. These three men should have been first in the hall. Bill France Sr. didn't create the sport of Stock Car Racing actually he didn't take the sport as far as his son did. Bill France Sr. created a sanctioning body nothing more, nothing less. Nothing that Red Vogt or Raymond Parks hadn't already done. So why is the real reason Raymond Parks isn't in the hall?? That's open to argument, speculation and truth. There is only one surviving person today from the meeting at the Streamline and he tells a whole different story than what the current history revisionists say that were never there. Is the hall a great place, I'm sure it is. When a person like Darrell Waltrip is put in ahead of a pioneer like Raymond Parks it dilutes the integrity of what a hall of fame should be. Does Darrell belong there. Sure, but ahead of a significant figure like Raymond Parks?? I remember Waltrips quip about Junior being inducted in the first five, he said, "Well I guess that had to put a car owner in there." That told me all I needed to know. Nascar is running away from it's roots. The hall of fame is doing the same.

Sandeep Banerjee
@sandeep-banerjee
13 years ago
360 posts

Good write up Tim. I really hope to make the trip myself someday. I will probably freak out being in the presence of cars and artifacts that so far I have only experienced in my extensive video, magazine and picture collection.

Dennis  Garrett
@dennis-garrett
13 years ago
560 posts

Sound like your group of racing "Old NASCAR" timers had a good time at NASCAR HALL OF FAME because you know each other racing history and shared with each other plus your group know about the history of the displayed race items.

How about the today's average "New NASCAR" race fans, whom knows only race history about Darrell Waltrip and Rusty Wallace!!!

Does the NASCAR HALL OF FAME have 5 min.-20 min. recorded taped race history (who donated or lend race item, the item's race history) of each race car or each item in the glass display??

During the 1960's, I remember going on an school bus trip tour to Washington, DC. and learning about "Our Nation" history.

Does the NASCAR HALL OF FAME have school bus trip tours to teachyoung school students about the "Old NASCAR" racing history??

Does the NASCAR HALL OF FAME have someone standing around that could answered some of the "Old NASCAR" racing history questions from the race fans?

I might be wrong, but I have an funny feeling that Raymond Parks will be in NASCAR Hall of Fame within next 2 years.
Just kept on talking about Raymond Parks on radio & tv , better yet put his racing history in magazines & newspapers.