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This engine deal is not setting right with me. Ive built my fair share of engines and weigh my pistons and rods so as they match each other pretty dang close,same goes with bolts on rotating mass. Ive never even seen a balanced assembly thats been blueprinted in an outside shop like Jegs or Summit be off like they describing . I have two engines in shop at my house that I built and balanced rods and pistons myself. I went and checked my Info and none are over 1 gram different.. Someone fill me in here, wont that show up on dyno? like vibration ?.

Johnny, I have no idea. I never was that astute mechanically. But I'm sick over all this. Did you see Matt's interview Dave Fulton posted on the site? Only Barrack could have faked his way through that any better than Matt. I am surprised at what Matt said about how he feels about the penalty. I see one of those super secret fines headed Matt's way for comments detrimental to NASCAR. What chance do you think they have on appeal? Really?

Could you define the meaning of RIGHT please

Back in the day I remember when someone was caught with an illegal part whether fuel, engine, or several other parts they were disqualified and was placed in last place with no points or purse. So what they do now is nothing compared to back when.There was not much money to be had back then and you had no big dollar sponsors so it hurt even more then than now. If they would go back to that you would see a lot less of the gray area being tested.If you got caught a couple of times a year you would not be a series champion as you are today.

Richard, as for Matt's interview, I think it was a great interview although he was obviously uncomfortable (I would have been too) and he was struggling to find words he thought he could say without getting in NASCAR trouble. I think saying "borderline shameful" is going to be looked at by NASCAR as determintal. If NASCAR fined Hamlin for what he said after Fontana, they will surely at least call Matt on the carpet. Thanks for all of your input. I would love to know more about the "gray areas" in which you work.

There was no doubt Matt would have rather not have been doing the interview. Legal or illegal, I thought he came off as a class act.

Maybe the new NASCAR VP of Cheating, Implementation, Remote Starting and Glass Dashboards can come up with a rule to cover the use of "crate" engines and the liability of them being "non-conforming."

I laugh thinking back to when Bud Moore was supplying engines for Junie Donlavey and the #90 team. He'd tell Junie to not even pull the valve covers off. Engine would blow, Bud would get it back from Richmond to Spartanburg and scream that Junie had gone in and "messed with" everything!

I was surprised also Johnny about the weight of one rod. ??? We always worked on every part to obtain the same weight on corresponding parts. All of our rods weighed the same as did the pistons etc., etc.. ??? So what gives with TRD??? Maybe this is the cause of so many Toyota engine failures... U THINK?

Maybe Japanese don't convert to ounces and grams so good.

Pretty Sharp group TRD... manycaucasiansas well as Japanese Americans work there.( again, sharp cookies), Mistakes happen.. timing was not in Gibb's favor... obviously. Rules are Rules

New saying on Nascar ---------

NASCAR BAD BOYS

If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. But you might get one of the all-time biggest punishments .

Like Johnny, I could get closer than that on my weights in the shop behind the house. Would like to know what they were trying on the crankshaft counterweights, Wally is right, those TRD boys are no dummies.

Bet the penalties are in light of the Penske deal.

Dennis,when you get your crank statically correct and you hang your dummie weight that matches a rod that is exact in grams you dont throw 2 or three grams on to compensate uh-oh's

i tried 3 grams on a crank today and it rotated immediately. but im using an american engine --that may make a difference

BTW, I had no intent to slam Japanese-Americans, merely a "tongue-in-cheek" reference to converting Japanese units of measurement.

I have just had a conversation with my son who builds racing motors for a living and he can turn out some winners. He said that the rod weight in the Kenseth deal would not have any effect on the motor. The weight was not enough to cause any problem. He said it was probably just an oversight and that he feels as I do that the penalty is far out of bounds for this incident. My thought. Pemberton is just trying to be the Big Bad Boy of NASCAR.

Thanks for the insight from the perspective of a pro, Tommie.

Robbie. My son say's no. That minute amount of weight would not cause any vibration or other problems in the engine. Less than the weight of a dollar bill. I believe what he say's.

This whole deal has gone past the ridiculous. For once NASCAR follows the rule book to the letter, which more than a few have griped about them not doing, and the again become the bad guy's.

In the simplest form, TRD screwed the pooch on this one. It's on them and their lack of quality control. Gibbs in the end holds ALL the responsibility for the product he presented to the race inspectors, ie; the race car. The part was shown to not conform with the rulebook and the fine was directly in line with precedents set in the past. I can't understand how this got turned into a performance enhancing effort by TRD. It only has to do with the specs for the part and that it didn't meet them. Gibbs isn't wrong but he is the one with the end responsibility. This is totally a Gibbs/TRD issue. And I can't believe I'm saying this, NASCAR got it right, BY THE RULE BOOK!

The fine and penalties being out of line? NOT! Go back to Carl Long with an Ernie Elliott engine found .017 over sized, the same fine and similar penalties eliminated his race team and his lively hood for a good while. It was another time that NASCAR was extreme but was correct as much as I hated that decision and still do.

Was Gibbs cheating, NO. Was TRD cheating,NO! But TRD did hold the total responsibility for supplying the correct parts and quality control. Gibbs trusted his chosen vendor and he's responsible to NASCAR that his vendor is following the NASCAR specs.

What adds to the mess created by TRD? The fact that they themselves confiscated three of Clint Bowyers engines including the one that was to be his primary for Richmond. Their records showed that there were problems with those as well. This is all on TRD, their lack of quality control.

You pay for what you want--- And now maybe the truth is coming out as to why a Toyota always runs and sounds not quite right --

I wouldn't build an engine like that..if I knew it. But that engine did pretty good. It won the race. What do you mean "don't sound quite right," Johnny. It's a Toyota. Japan creation. Any more questions or does that answer your question?

Built by the same people that brought you Pearl---"no no no I cant say that"