Tire War Trivia

Dennis Andrews
@dennis-andrews
14 years ago
835 posts
The 60's produced many battles on and off the track. Not only did the teams race each other but the car company's competed to see who could give there drivers an advantage on the track and the tire manufacturer's Firestone and Goodyear both competed to be the best on race day. When and where were the first "slick" tires used and what tire company supplied them?

updated by @dennis-andrews: 12/05/16 04:10:12PM
S.T.A.R.S. Radio
@stars-radio
14 years ago
514 posts
The first Racing Slick was developed by a company called M&H Tires (Marvin & Harry Tires) in the early 1950s
Tim Leeming
@tim-leeming
14 years ago
3,119 posts
You've got me Dennis. Seems like it was late sixties of early seventies. But I truly have no idea. I do know that, back with South Carolina had that State Inspection deal, I was visiting a friend of mine at his business about 2 blocks down from the Phillips 66 station that did inspections. These "folks" were in the parking lot of my friend's business changing tires from a Pontiac GTO to a Pontiac Lemans and then tried to change them to a Ford Fairlane but the lug pattern wouldn't fit. Finally my friend went out to see what they were doing in that parking lot. Between the three cars, they had four tires that would pass inspection (4 out of 12 ain't bad) and that's what they were trying to do. Use four tires to get three cars through inspection. Seeing the tires that came off that GTO was my first encounter with "slicks" on a stock car.Tim


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What a change! It's been awhile since I've checked in and I'm quite surprised. It may take me awhile to figure it our but first look it's really great.

Jim Streeter
@jim-streeter
14 years ago
242 posts
Billy Myers had some slicks that were out of New England (Conn. I think). Very soft rubber.
S.T.A.R.S. Radio said:
The first Racing Slick was developed by a company called M&H Tires (Marvin & Harry Tires) in the early 1950s
Johnny Mallonee
@johnny-mallonee
14 years ago
3,259 posts
there was a tire recapping company in Ga back in the 50's that was recapping tires for circle track racers such as my dad. They had a tire that was wider than a regular tire (I think I read somewhere or overheard a conversation that it was two molds put together) that had no tread pattern on it . Those were taken and grooved for different tracks. But Dad would run a slick tire in north Ga on those gooey red mud tracks and it worked I guess. But thats the first slick tire I can remember. The pavement tires we ran in the 60's had a tread pattern to them and those were Firestone Tires. Now our dirt tires were slick, no tread pattern to them and they were Hoosiers and that was in the 60's also.Drag tires were out there but they wouldnt last long, I burnt up a pair I borrowed in one race on a Quarter mile track so I didnt count them in.
Dennis Andrews
@dennis-andrews
14 years ago
835 posts
Great history and stories guys. Let me give hint on the answer I'm looking for. This would have been a Nascar event.
Johnny Mallonee
@johnny-mallonee
14 years ago
3,259 posts
If my memory serves me right they had a transition from bias tires in 89-92 with the first race run at North Wilksboro in 89 could this be the answer you are looking for?
Richard Guido
@richard-guido
14 years ago
238 posts
The first racing slick used for Grand National racing was in either 1974 or 75, I think 75 and of course it was a GOODYEAR tire.I am curious as to when the first racing radial was used in Winston CUP ?
Johnny Mallonee
@johnny-mallonee
14 years ago
3,259 posts
Did you know that all Goodyear Racing Radials have a tracking Chip embedded in them to track the tire to who its leased to and where its run ?
Dennis Andrews
@dennis-andrews
14 years ago
835 posts
Did not know that Johnny. Guess that is one reason they cost so much.

Johnny Mallonee said:
Did you know that all Goodyear Racing Radials have a tracking Chip embedded in them to track the tire to who its leased to and where its run ?
Dennis Andrews
@dennis-andrews
14 years ago
835 posts
Richard, According to the information that I have you are partially correct. I don't know when the first radial was used. After '91 I think.

Richard Guido said:
The first racing slick used for Grand National racing was in either 1974 or 75, I think 75 and of course it was a GOODYEAR tire.

I am curious as to when the first racing radial was used in Winston CUP ?
Cody Dinsmore
@cody-dinsmore
14 years ago
589 posts
Yeah they are about $1200 a set. So times that by about, say, 4-6 pit stops in a race....that's $4800-$6000 per race just in tires!

Dennis Andrews said:
Did not know that Johnny. Guess that is one reason they cost so much.

Johnny Mallonee said:
Did you know that all Goodyear Racing Radials have a tracking Chip embedded in them to track the tire to who its leased to and where its run ?
Jim Wilmore
@jim-wilmore
14 years ago
488 posts
I believe that question is answered on the "Petty Blue" documentary. Late 1960's or early 1970, either Goodyear or Firestone I'd imagine.
Johnny Mallonee
@johnny-mallonee
14 years ago
3,259 posts

i can usually rely on you to tell me if im right on my information and guess what----again im close enough . thank you
PKL said:

I think it was Richard that asked about this. I can't begin to swear as to where the first racing slick was used in Cup racing, but I do know when the first radial tire made its debut. The following is a small excerpt from an article I wrote back in 2003 about the tire wars. I promise, it was well researched.

"The following year, 1989, saw Goodyear attempt to come out swinging at the bell, with the introduction at Daytona of their new radial-ply tire. They had tested the tire for two months and thousands of miles, and deemed it safe and ready for the track. However, the first practice at Daytona told quite a different story, when both Bill Elliott and Dale Earnhardt hit the wall due to tire failures. Elliott sustained a double fracture of his wrist in his incident. At that point, Goodyear did the only honorable thing. They packed up their tires and withdrew from the Daytona 500.

Undaunted, the manufacturing giant went back to the drawing board and worked hard on their new radial. Goodyears new and improved radial tire debuted at North Wilkesboro that spring. While Hoosier tires were much faster in qualifying, those new Goodyears maintained their speed throughout the race, while the Hoosier bias-plies faded as bias-plies had always done. Dale Earnhardt won the race on Goodyear radial tires. Ironically, he would say in later years that he never really became accustomed to the radials, and preferred the bias-plies, but the radials were in the sport to stay."


~PattyKay
Dennis Andrews
@dennis-andrews
14 years ago
835 posts
O.K. According to "Bobby Isaac: What Speed Looks Like" by Steve Lehto at the April 1970 race at Talladega "To endure the stresses and still stick to the track, Goodyear had come up with a hard compound slick tire with no treads. Before, France had always required treaded tires - because that's what "stock" cars ran on - but now the high speeds necessitated the switch." This would have been a bias ply construction. Before this the tires used had what looked like a tread pattern but still put as much rubber in contact with the asphalt as possible. It certainly wasn't enough of a tread to shed water. The race was won by Pete Hamilton in a Petty Enterprises Plymouth Superbird, "BEEP! BEEP!" By the way, Harry Hyde insisted that Isaac had won the race in the K&K winged Dodge Daytona.