AND CURTIS TURNER SAID TO BUCK BAKER........

Tim Leeming
@tim-leeming
13 years ago
3,119 posts

"You're racing me too hard". Can any of you imagine such a conversation between Buck Baker and Curtis Turner? I don't think so. How about between Joe Weatherly and Lee Petty? Fireball Roberts and Fonty Flock. What is it with these currently day drivers who are always, seemingly, complaining that so-and-so is racing me too hard. I've heard that from Duck Boy, Candy Man, Sliced Bread, and a dozen others. I don't recall hearing it from Tony Stewart, Matt Kennseth or Kevin Harvick. Apparently it just isn't cool to be a competitive racers these days. It appears today's thought is that if you see a car coming up on your inside, you move up and let him go, or if he's on the outside, you move down and let him go. Whatever happens, you do NOT race him hard. What has happened to this sport.

If you doubt any of what I've said, go watch a replay of the Nationwide Race and Cup race from Charlotte. It is on the verge of disgusting. In another way it is almost funny to think about putting one of those pink panty wearing drivers out there today up against Curtis, Buck, Lee, Joe or Fireball. As a matter of fact, that is REALLY funny. Can you picture Candy Man saying something like that to Lee Petty????? lol. And he thinks Richard Childress taught him a lesson!

Ok, I've gotten that off my chest but we'll see at Talladega this weekend just who is racing whom too hard.

I do hope I have not offended anyone because Heaven forbid that I would "race" anyone too hard.




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What a change! It's been awhile since I've checked in and I'm quite surprised. It may take me awhile to figure it our but first look it's really great.


updated by @tim-leeming: 08/16/18 07:11:13PM
Sandeep Banerjee
@sandeep-banerjee
13 years ago
360 posts
Yea, I hate to hear that from any driver. If someone wants to race hard, it's their prerogative. Whether it be due to bad qualifying or a bad pit stop, fact is you're running behind the guy and as such, don't deserve a single thing from him other than to be raced hard for the position that you want from him.
Bumpertag
@bumpertag
13 years ago
363 posts
I didn't know there was such a thing as "Racing Too Hard". It seems to be something in modern racing, maybe it was introduced with the COT???
Robert Turner
@robert-turner
13 years ago
88 posts

I had a driver tell me a long time ago, "If you don't spin out now and then, you're not trying hard enough".

Lead, follow or get out of the way.

As one driver once said, "I went into one turn and everything was OK and then I went into the next turn and had no brakes, I tried to hit somebody so I wouldn't tare up the car so bad but missed and hit the wall pretty hard". Nothing like banking off another car to save hitting the wall!!

Tim Leeming
@tim-leeming
13 years ago
3,119 posts

Yes Mam, PattyKay, I forgot to mention Brad K., but he is included in the ones who do NOT complain about racing too hard. You support my post completely. That is exactly what I am saying, though not as eloquently. I'm frankly sick of such things as the "racing me too hard" phrase. Seems it's a weekly thing out of the mouths of Duck Boy, Candy Man, Sliced Bread, Lowe Boy, Feed the Elderly, and so many others. Ask Johnny Mallonee next time you speak with him if he, or I, ever accused the other of "racing me too hard". We competed, we banged, we exchanged barbs, but never fists, and after all these years I consider Mr. Mallonee as a great and dear friend. If he hadn't raced me hard, I would have considered him an idiot. There are two others, one I raced in Columbia, and one I raced in Myrtle Beach, every week, and we tore the sides off each other's cars most weeks because we were so evenly matched. Not one time did I, or either one of them, ever hold a prayer meeting like Duck Boy did with Candy Man as soon as the Charlotte race was over last Saturday. Seems we have many Prima Donas out there now who want the fame, the glory, the money, and all the other perks, but "don't mess up my hair".




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What a change! It's been awhile since I've checked in and I'm quite surprised. It may take me awhile to figure it our but first look it's really great.

Dave Fulton
@dave-fulton
13 years ago
9,137 posts
Legend, I'm "hard" pressed to recall ever hearing any driver I worked with say that he had been raced too hard. Let me think back to my conversations with Dale, Sr................ Nah, I don't remember him saying that. I don't think DW even said that at Richmond about Dale in '86 or Geoffrey Bodine about Dale any of the couple hundred times Dale spun him out. Guess it's a more recent thing with our pretty face drivers and their million dollar motorcoaches. If today's drivers were forced to spend about 10 years on the local bullrings like so many drivers used to do before getting a GN/Cup ride, you wouldn't hear that namby pamby crud so much. Heck, years after Buck Baker stopped driving he was still hitting hard. When Buck was firstnominated for inclusion in the National Motorsports Press Association Hall of Fame at Darlington, my late friend and writer Gene Granger of Spartanburg reminded the media members that Buck had returned to racing in 1976 for 8 events at age 57 and was therefore not yet eligible for Hall of Fame nomination. When the tour got to Charlotte, Gene had a knock on his Ramada Inn motel room door and opened it. He immediately received a fist from Buck Baker resulting in a broken nose. But, I never heard Granger complain of Buck racing too hard or hitting too hard. He gave the old stock answer, "That's Racing." Those drivers "back in the day" didn't run to reporters to complain about an issue, they settled the issue. Wouldn't you love to see Lee and Buck and Curtis and Little Joe turned loose at Darlington with some of today's boys?!


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Dave Fulton
@dave-fulton
13 years ago
9,137 posts
In 1982, I had the wife of the Chairman of the Board of Pepsico, a resident of Purchase, NY,in my Wrangler VIP Suite at Talladega to attend her first stock car race. With two lines of cars running side by side and nose to tail, Earnhardt, Sr. suddenly bolted up the track in turn 2 from the inside lane and made a hole in the outside lane where there hadn't been one. That lady, dressed in her New York finery, jumped up and screamed, "G..damn, you couldn't put thtat boy's b...s in a 55 gallon drum!" She forced Pepisico's Chairman to bring her back to Talladega twice a year after that to watch Dale. That's the kinda excitement that's missing today.


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Christopher Krul
@christopher-krul
13 years ago
119 posts
What whimps we got on the track now. Kyle Busch is whining on the radio that he wants to pit because Carl Edwards is behind him and afraid to race him.
Dave Fulton
@dave-fulton
13 years ago
9,137 posts

I watched the rebroadcast last night on University of NC Public Television of the 50 Year NASCAR Anniversary 1998 production of North Carolina Racers: Back Roads to Glory. The telecast opened with a 1998 Junior Johnson interview. In it he talked about tough drivers, singling out his late driver LeeRoy Yarbrough as one of the toughest. He further stated that there are only "about 3 drivers now" (1998) who could have raced with the drivers of his generation. Junior said the majority of drivers of 1998 were:

1) Not strong enough.

2) Not man enough.

3) Not tough enough.

Wonder if he could findeven three2011 drivers he thinks could race with the drivers of his generation?




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"Any Day is Good for Stock Car Racing"
Max Plummer
@max-plummer
13 years ago
89 posts
Ralph Earnhardt purchased grocery for his family with his winnings. now they have to purchase jet fuel for the jet to shop in Paris.it's a different breed now.nothing but a bunch whiny rich boy's not having thier way.if Busch talked to Dale Emmon the way he talks to Addington id like to see that out come.most can't relate to the stering wheel holders now at least i can not.i see nothing wrong with having money or making money,but when it gives you the ego and self centeredness like most them have you can have it.
Dennis Andrews
@dennis-andrews
13 years ago
835 posts
Think you guys are tired of hearing "He's racing me too hard"? Just wait, you got a taste already, next year it will be "I'm still learning" all day every day.
Mike Wachowiak
@mike-wachowiak
13 years ago
2 posts
This stinks just about as bad as Rusty Wallaces' comment about Ryan Newman, "tell Ryan to let me by and I'll win this race." Ryan didn't , Rusty never got close to making a pass and still finished further back than Newman. Let's get real RACE FOR POSITION, That's what you get paid for.
Johnny Mallonee
@johnny-mallonee
13 years ago
3,259 posts
You know I beat and banged with a certain "Driver" on many a lap back in the 60's and 70's--even squeezed a win out of him one nite and we said a lot of things to each other and about each other------------- B U T never did I hear " DUDE YOU RACING ME TO HARD"