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Tommy Buxton
@tommy-buxton
12/28/10 09:07:20PM
53 posts

Did we make enough noise about where short track racing is going?


Local and Regional Short Track Racing

Randy ,you have hit it right square in the bullseye. We can only hope that ole DW and some folks that can make a difference read your response. Thank you for voicing the thoughts that many of us have but are unable to put it all together at once.The future of Short Track Racing is NOW! It is periously close to complete failure without some serious damage control and careful planning on the rebuilding process. There might not be anything left of it in a few more years as we have known it.That thought makes me even more thankful for Jeff Gilder and the RR family.At least the memories will never die.

Randy Myers said:

This rebuttal to DWs article will take up some space so bear with me. I apologize in advance for being so long winded but after reading and re-reading the DW article, I had to reply. I have done this point-by-point with DWs article in quotation marks and my comments in italics.

I was listening to a discussion Sirius Satellite Radio about the state of short track racing in the country. Having cut my teeth on the short tracks, especially all over the southeast, I have some thoughts on the issue.

DW should definitely be proud of his short track heritage. He was extremely good at his chosen craft.

One of the things that has hurt short track racing is the simple lack of exposure. The local TV or print media has really drifted away from the short tracks across our country. The results are usually buried at the bottom of the sports page, if they are there at all. The problem stems from the fact that a lot of the short track events arent over till the papers have already gone to press.

I will agree with this to a point but I want to add to what he says. Times are changing. In this day of cutbacks in employment, check out the local papers. Most are now owned by huge conglomerates and have cut staff to the point of not having someone cover the events. Our own local paper (Winston-Salem Journal) laid-off Mike Mulhern from the cup beat after over 25 years of writing about racing. The Journal does send a beat writer who does a good job to Bowman Gray Stadium on Saturday night but Bowman Gray is definitely an exception to the rule. But even back-in-the-day as DW likes to call them, not many local papers actually covered the local racing beat. Only in the heart of racing county did many short tracks get any print coverage and even less radio or TV. These days many of the younger NASCAR beat writers are lucky to have their jobs and many are younger guys or gals commanding much less salary than the writers they replaced. NASCAR should require these writers to cover the short tracks in their areas on Saturday night before getting in the chow line at the media center at the cup tracks. Dang! I forgot they were covering the cup tracks on Saturday night.

This disconnect between the local track and the media outlets has surely hurt. There are just so many other options at times that force the short track coverage to take a back seat. There are football, basketball and baseball games.

The print and local news media has always catered to stick-and-ball sports so that is nothing new. What has puzzled me for years is the fact the papers and electronic media has always taken the time to dote on those sports. Is there really more demand for tennis or golf coverage from England or the Yankees or BoSox over the local heros of our sport? Or it just easier for the sports editor to pull something off the wire to take up space?

There might be a concert at the local arena. So there is no doubt the competition has made it more difficult for the local short tracks.

I understand DWs point about the concerts and such but in case he doesnt remember, they have always been around. There is nothing new about that. What he is saying is the same old stuff NASCAR puts out in their propaganda. Competition from other things are the problem the short tracks face. B/S! There have always been concerts, restaurants, bowling alleys, pool halls, video games and other competition for the short tracks. What the short tracks didnt have for competition was Charlotte Motor Speedway, Daytona, Darlington, Richmond, Bristol, Texas and Kentucky on the TV set in the living room of millions of short track fans.

Look at examples like the track here in Nashville at the Fairgrounds or Birmingham International Raceway. Back then, the tracks were built on the edge of town. Now with expansion over all the years, the tracks are in town. So the town has grown up around it and a racetrack in the middle of town doesnt seem to make sense anymore.

Biggest glaring contradiction to that comment is to check out the city of Winston-Salem, NC and Bowman Gray Stadium. Again, Bowman Gray is an exception to the rule but the key to the success of ANY business is location, location, location! Short track fans in this area are fortunate to have a stadium owned by the city that is probably the only city owned facility that operates in the black. Not to mention the fact stadium racing subsidizes the coliseum, the convention center and half-dozen other city owned properties that operate in the red. If the operators of the Nashville Fairgrounds track had worked with the owners (fairgrounds/city) to keep open such a historic track (instead of letting the fairgrounds/city gouge the operators into submission) that track might have a future. Same for BIR, New Asheville Speedway and dozens of others across the country.

Now to me, it seems awfully convenient to have a track that close, but it may not be for everybody within those towns.

It is convenient DW! Its strange that as we grow older and younger folks become the community leaders, that history (especially racing history) goes by the wayside. Somewhere along the line, those folks missed something that helped grow their communities to where they are today and to just discard those facilities is a shame. The notion that folks cant work together for a few hours a week to maintain some sense of history and a profitable facility boggles what mind I have left.

Another area where short tracks struggle is keeping up with the amenities that other sports facilities provide.

While I agree that some tracks dont keep up with the times, I can think of several that do and still struggle. Southern National Raceway in Kenly, NC (built outside the city) has state-of-the-art seating, lighting & VIP areas. Closed! Caraway Speedway near Asheboro, NC (outside the city) has 2,000 closed deck seats, half-million in sewer and concession updates in the past eight years and 2-300 spectators in the stands each week. Motor Mile Speedway near Radford, VA. One of the finest short tracks in the south with modern everything, huge car counts and big purses struggles with attendance and without the support of a wealthy ownership with strong community leverage ability would probably close the doors. The list of really quality facilities IS short and I havent covered all of them but even history and location cant save them all. Hickory Speedway, The Birthplace of the NASCAR Stars as it is billed it, struggles every week for a crowd and Tri-Count Motor Speedway across the Catawba River from Hickory struggles even more. The list of tracks that I am familiar with could fill a couple of pages so Ill move on.

Thats mainly because the track owners are independent operators. They do things out of their own pocket. They dont get funding from anyone.

Its not all funding DW. It takes support as well. Support from everyone from the community, NASCAR and even the cup drivers. Every driver in the big leagues should commit to at least one night each season at the local track he came from and in this day of jets and helicopters he should bring a couple of his pals with him to sit in the stands (without a $10,000.00+ appearance fee) and greet and thank the fans that put him where he or she is. And that goes for all the big leagues, Cup, Nationwide, Camping World, Indy Car and on and on.

As the Green movement continues to expand, that might actually be an opportunity for these tracks to have a chance to revitalize. We are seeing electric cars, ethanol cars, etc. so there might be an outlet to take advantage of the initiatives being pushed by the government and the manufacturers.

Maybe Im getting old and time is passing me by but I am not even going to waste my time with explaining everything that is so out of touch with DWs comment on the green movement.

Every racetrack has to have something that folks go there for. Great Racing? Sure, but you expect that when you spend your hard earned money to buy a ticket. You expect and deserve to be entertained. Thats why you are there.

WTH? Hell yes! Great racing. Thats what you paid to see. And if you see great racing, you HAVE been entertained.

We have to figure a way to get that local flair and flavor back. If you are a short track owner, you have to come up with something that is unique, attracts people and gives them something to talk about.

With this I agree. Great Racing!!!

Look at Martinsville Speedway what is that track known for? Its known as a paperclip track that gives Grandfather clocks to the winner, plus dont forget those red hot dogs. Thats their hook.

Hey DW! Those are Jesse Jones hot dogs. They just happen to be red. I will admit I rarely turned down one of those hot dogs but I dont remember making the Martinsville trip to eat a hot dog or see a clock. I went to see some hard-nosed, beatin & bangin, short track racing. They do make a really great trophy and when they used to give one away to someone in the stands, it was an added bonus for a lucky FAN. But these days, if Martinsville didnt have a winners circle in plain view, no one would see the clock anyway.

South Boston Speedway (and half-dozen others within 100 miles of here) is known for their baloney burgers. Here in Nashville at the Fairgrounds, and now at the bigger track, the race winners trophy is a guitar. I remember back in the day that BIR in Birmingham had the best hot dogs. Like them, every track needs something that the fan identifies them with.

Again, it aint the trophy! Its the up-close action, see the drivers in the pits, check out the beatin & bangin racing we want to see. Remember you and Richard, Cale and Bobby finishing the races there with the fenders and doors barely hanging on? I do.

You want a place that puts on a great show.

Amen to that!

Great racing mixed with a good public address announcer.

Hard to find but definitely a plus!

You want fair officiating.

As a competitor you do but Im not so sure its something the fans clamor for. I will admit that poor officiating seems to stir the crowd at Bowman Gray but they are sitting on top of the action and dont miss much.

Its a fun evening to go to your local short track with the family, have dinner and a couple Mountain Dews and watch your neighbors compete against each other.

Have to agree with old DW here but if the local press isnt writing about the show, no one knows his neighbor is there. BTW DW! When was the last time you went to your local short track and spent some time walking through the pits or stands? Or better yet, gave the promoter a heads-up that you were going to be there to sign a few autographs (without getting a check) so he might take advantage of your attendance.

Local short track racing is the backbone of our sport. Not only are we not developing new talent, but were also not developing new fans because of the downturn of our local short tracks.

Good point DW but you fail to give any credible reasons for this. You speak of talent. How much talent did you look for when you owned you truck team? Did you look for real talent or some talent and a big check? If memory serves correctly it was the second option. Not faulting you or any of the other car owners out there. I understand they must make money to survive, but facts are facts. There are hundreds of Dale Earnhardt, Jrs. and Jeff Gordons out there and a few make it to the upper ranks on their talent alone, but many are just steering wheel holders spending dads or grandpas money, and after finding they cant cut the mustard move on after driving up the cost of racing for the little guys who struggle every Saturday night to put on the show. Those shooting stars do little to fuel the local fan base and in the long run dilute the real driver and fan pool.

Short track racing is chaotic. Thats what makes them fun. You have heat races. You invert the field.

Not so much these days. Its everyone copying NASCAR with look-alike cars and look-alike races. Fast cars up front, follow the leader, some guy in a red shirt telling the drivers to not wreck the other guy, the penalty box, qualify the mini-stocks, boring-azz shows.

You may have a demolition derby between the heat races and the feature.

I thought the demo-derby was supposed to be the heat races.

You might even have some guy on a motorcycle jump over a bunch of school bused. That comes from the promoter. Thats the Humpy Wheelers of the world. Thats the other thing a good short track needs a great promoter. Where are the Bob Harmons, the Paul Sawyers and the Clay Earles of todays short tracks? Those guys lived and breathed promoting the next event. We need the next generation of those guys and guys like Humpy Wheeler.

Great people and promoters one-and-all. Uncle Bob was a one-of-a-kind. Worked his tail off to put on a show, God rest his soul. Seems he was so good at what he did, NASCAR bought him out and shut him down. Never was the same at the All-Pro races again. Paul Sawyer taught his trade well to his sons. They still love to do what he taught them. Mr. Earles knew what his fans wanted and provided that to them. His grandson sold his share of his Grandpas track to ISC. They built more stands they cant fill, watered down the chili on the Jesse Jones hot dogs and did away with the longest running division under NASCAR sanction for next season. As for Humpy Wheeler. Not sure anyone will ever know the full story there but he was one hell of a promoter in his day. Where are todays promoters? Most of them are out beating their heads against a wall trying to get some local coverage from their TV, radio or print media. If they arent doing that they are probably emptying the trash barrels or cleaning the bathrooms or painting the walls at their tracks cause they can barely afford to keep the doors open much less pay someone to do those jobs.

The best promoters come from a racing and public relations background. They understand the sport. They know what excites people and they know how to promote that.

Just doesnt seem to be enough of them to go around. Could be the bathrooms needed cleaning again this week.

There are a lot of reasons the short tracks are in the shape they are in. There used to be some national coverage like Thursday Night Thunder on ESPN and Winter Heat on TNN that simply isnt there anymore.

Where the heck is that coverage? You can turn on the TV almost anytime, night or day, February through November and find something on about NASCAR racing. Cup, Nationwide Camping World Trucks, crew chief with a hangnail, Jimmie and Chad, Chad and Jimmie, heaven only knows how many crew chiefs Junior has had or why he cant win or why he needs another damn crew chief. NASCAR controls the TV from sun-up till sun-down. Their contracts dictate what the networks can or cant show. Their production company feeds the media the news. We have had NASCAR Cafs, theme parks, nights at the ball game, monopoly, movies, tee shirts and caps. NASCAR, to its credit, has done one hell of a job of marketing the upper levels of the sport but since the Master Settlement Agreement was signed and Winston/RJR went by the wayside, short track racing has been on a downhill slide. Without the funding of Winston, the NASCAR sanctioned tracks had to fend for themselves and many really didnt know how. The fallout from the NASCAR tracks carried over to the un-sanctioned tracks and the struggles continue to multiply. Toss in three and four dollar per gallon gas a few years ago, the current downturn in the economy and you really have a crisis in the short track community, especially in the southeast. Hey Darrell! You got any pull with FOX}

All of us collectively NASCAR, track promoters, media, etc. need to set down as a group and find ways to promote our local tracks. Thats where our next superstar drivers need to be groomed.

For the record, there is a place where all of us collectively can sit down as a group. Its called the Racing Promoters Workshops. They have been going on every December and February for almost 35 years in Reno and Daytona Beach. Its a workshop where track operators from across the country DO sit down and collectively evaluate and discuss what each can do to succeed. Oh! Remember when NASCAR tried to help promoters a few years ago. They decided to have their own Short Track Summit. Just so happened they decide to have theirs on the very same dates and the very same towns as the RPM workshops. How do you think that worked out? As for the new drivers, I too hope the owners will continue to look for talent wherever they can find it and hope the talent doesnt continue to require a check to succeed. But I fear the Danicas of the world or the next gimmick will be the headliners.

plus thats where well grow a new generation of fans.

If we rebuild the short tracks, the fans will follow.

I love the short tracks. I always have. Coming from go-kart racing, the short tracks were the next step for me on my way to the NASCAR Cup level. I think collectively we all are also guilty of going for the glamour, speed and danger of the superspeedways today while ignoring the excitement and thrill of our past, the short tracks. We simply have to have the short tracks around our country healthy and thriving. Thats the future of NASCAR.

I too love the short tracks. I even know where you could invest something other than opinion in a great facility or two, but I fear talk is cheap. We may be guilty of buying into the hype of those things you mentioned but the top had better begin to help support the bottom and not the other way around as has been the case in the past. We DO need the short tracks healthy. They are the future of RACING. Not just NASCAR. Last time I looked at my trusty Speedway Directory, there was something over 750 racetracks in the country. Not counting the cup tracks, only 55 of them carried a NASCAR sanction. They are ALL the future of the sport we love and support.

In closing, and in support of my opinions, if one reads the eight pages of comments from race fans on the FOX page, you will understand my points. Over 40% have never attended a short track and its quite possible many of those who say they have are confusing the cup, Nationwide & Truck races at Martinsville, Bristol or Richmond for a short track race and not what DW is discussing in the article. Most comments are from folks who wouldnt know a sprint car or modified if it ran over them.

I also wish each of you and DW a Happy New Year!

Tommy Buxton
@tommy-buxton
12/17/10 06:56:34PM
53 posts

NASCARS 50 Greatest Crew Chiefs


Stock Car Racing History

This will be difficult without some good research,some of these guys I recognize only by name,most by deeds and a few I have never heard of so that makes me pretty unqualified butI will return with an honest attempt after some research. It will most definitly be fun. I think we should move on to car owners next and then a couple of shorter lists onengine builders and chassis builders. Some of these lesser known but very important peopleare sure tobeincluded in the RR Hall of Fame. How good would King Richard have been without Dale Inman, or JJ without Chad Knaus?We already know how Jeff Gordon has done without Ray Evernham. I will say putting these guys in order will be most difficult as I could make a case for about 4 or 5 to be #1.

Tommy Buxton
@tommy-buxton
11/10/10 03:29:37PM
53 posts

Do you know the meaning of being Humilated in public


Current NASCAR

Whether you agree with the decision or not,I think it took alot of guts to do what they did.I applaud them for doing something rather than nothing to try and do whatever it takes to keep the Championship at Hendrick Motorsports.According to an article on Jayski.com they intend to stay with the changes for the last 2 races. The 24 and 48 are both raced out of the same shop so I would think that they share most all of their resources whatever that may be.They have been and will be criticized by many for the decision.I will be happy for which ever 1 of the 3 wins the championship,because they will have most definitly earned it. Watching this sure beats somebody running away with it and it being decided 2,3,4 races early.On a side note, does anybody believe Kyle was sincere in his appology or was there some influence in his words from Coach Gibbs? I think the 25k fine was insult to injury considering he lost alot more than that with the 2 lap penalty being held on pit road. Kyle sure was not looking out for his teammates with that boneheaded tempermental gesture. He had to know the powers that be would not tolerate such.He may be a whiz with the steering wheel but until he gets the temper and attitude reined in a little,he will have a very difficult time becoming a Cup Series Champion.

Russell Rector said:
I believe that we've had more input on this discussion than any other one I can remember.That is great!!! Keep it up everyone . The more ideas from everyone,the better! That what this discussion page is all about.
Tommy Buxton
@tommy-buxton
11/08/10 12:13:11PM
53 posts

Do you know the meaning of being Humilated in public


Current NASCAR


Johnny,at the Saturday night level I would be totally with you on this,but they play a totally different game with alot more at stake. Those guys on that team are not the same ones that won the first of those 4 championships either. Some are but they have made some changes over the last 4 years,that's just the nature of the beast.I don't ever recall anybody paying me after a saturday night race,that was all done for fun and the love of racing.These boys all get paid to get the job done and I would think the bonus checks have been pretty good the last 4 years on the 48 crew,yep, I keep thinking of thinks to make me not feel sorry for them. Would I like to get benched if I were on that team, heck no,would it make me feel sorry for my teammates,heck no again, it would get me fired up deep down in my belly and make me work that much harder to prove I could get it done!
Johnny Mallonee said:
Ok now look at this side of it---Who got Chad those other 4 Championships? The rainbow warriors? Dont think so!! Those guys that practice daily to maintain their goal of winning did. True setting in the throne above them has its merits . But it was a team effort, why take the glory away at the end. The position on the track did not change due to the quicker pitstops.
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Sorry but I dont see it as nothing but a team effort,bust the team up and what do you get, second fiddle at best. I guess im just an old school player where racing is supposed to be fun,not an ulcer ridden job.
Its like when I grew up it was a brotherhood,kinda like a family. we argued ,maybe scuffeled a little but you know what we did not have no one setting in a high chair whining at us ....oh for the old days------------------------------memories
Tommy Buxton
@tommy-buxton
11/08/10 11:29:17AM
53 posts

Do you know the meaning of being Humilated in public


Current NASCAR


I agree with Robbie on this one,I believe all their checks have Rick Hendricks name at the bottom.I sure don't feel sorry for them, they are all big boys wearing big boy pants.If they are not getting it done then its time for someone that can.I will be willing to bet you that the 48 team is already back to work to get the ship righted.That champions title belongs to the 48 team,I think they will do whatever it takes to keep it at Hendricks Motorsports.They still have 2 races to go,the 48 & 11 run good at both,the 29 is still right there,what more could you ask for.Maybe Chad needed to get their attention,they are running for the Roses,it's the bottom of the ninth in game 7 of the Wolrd Series,it's 4th and long inside of 2 minutes in the Super Bowl,we finally have a Chase worth getting excited about and folks want to feel sorry for somebody not getting the job done.Well,I'm excited,cinch up those belts and lets race!
Johnny Mallonee said:

Robbie I do not see the reasoning behind what happened today with the #48 The Rainbow Worriers were brought up to the Lowes car I think to show chads power in the high chair. he had been having issues I hear with the communication he had with the crew and I guess doing this in public showed his true color.My point of view but as you know every one has a point of view of some sort .
Robbie Solesbee said:
In Formula One one pit crew sevices both cars. But what you are describing sounds simular to team orders in F1 of having the secondary team car allow the primary team to pass in order to allow the primary driver to win. At Interlagos today a law in Brazil outlawing the interfering with the outcome of a sporting event, better known to us as "fixing", is a crime that carries time in Brazil.
Team Red Bull's secondary driver Sebastian Vettel won the race while primary driver Mark Webber took second. Fernando Alonso leads the points by a scant margin over Webber and took third While the finishing order won the constructors championship, which pays in the tens of millions and actually is worth more than the driver's championship, for Red Bull, in days of old Vettel would have been ordered to allow Webber to pass so he could gain more points on Alonso for the title. It's set up an interesting scenario for the series finale in Abu Dhabi. Given the strict penalties under Sharia law I wonder what the criminal penalty for fixing a race there is? When there's big money on line, which after what I learned today what a NASCAR title pays is chump change compared to F1, coming down to the wire the top dog on the team is going to get the best of everything to win the title even if that means moving a crew in mid race. But the bottom line is if I'm a crew member working for a race team and Rick Hendrick is the one who signs my check, My allegiance is to Hendrick and not Gordon, Johnson, or Martin. It's the same as football. You still get the same pay if the coach benches you for the rest of the game and let's your sub play as you would if you played the whole game.
Tommy Buxton
@tommy-buxton
11/08/10 03:14:45PM
53 posts

Happy Birthday Ray Lamm


General

Happy Birthday to one of the nicest guys I have ever met. I hope you have many more to come. Most of all,Thank you for sharing your memories with us.The world would be a much better place with a few more Ray Lamm's in it.
Tommy Buxton
@tommy-buxton
08/23/10 03:35:19PM
53 posts

Oconeechee weekend bonus racing


General

Anyone coming to Hillsboroughfor the Oconeecee event,if you are looking for some bonus action the Southern Ground Pounders Vintage Club will be racing at Ace Speedway in Altamahaw,NC, just a short ride NW of Hillsborough on Friday night. Come check out some really fast Vintage bodied Sportsman and Modified racers.
updated by @tommy-buxton: 03/22/19 12:03:07AM
Tommy Buxton
@tommy-buxton
08/25/10 04:32:45PM
53 posts

WELL KYLE DID IT


Current NASCAR

I really try hard to live by the rule that says"if you can't say anything good,then don't say anything,but in this case I just can't resist. Kyle Busch won all 3 races at Bristol this weekend,big deal,I say not. He is supposed to win the truck race and the Nationwide race,heck he's got the best equipment in both of those races and a lesser drive could win in that equipment so it was no suprise whatsoever that he won those.He has won the first 2 several times only to come up short in the cup race,whine,stomp his feet,throw a temper tantrum,and blame it on the crew for giving him a inferior car to drive. The Cup race is a bit more dificult to win and he did a fine job of making that happen this past weekend. Can we all imagine what might have happened if David Reutimann had driven like Kyle drove in the Nationwide race. He is really gifted,I am suprised he hasn't done the triple before now but let's look at another angle,how many drivers that have driven in all three races in 1 weekend can we say have a legitimate chance to win all 3? I can think of only a few,KB,Kevin Harvick,Carl Edwards,but who else? Not that many have ran all 3 in a weekend,at least ones that I would consider contenders.Several have run Nationwide and Cup but most don't run the truck races. Is it really that big of a deal? Of course he gives enough credit to himself so I am a little slow about giving him much of anything. Sure he can drive, but when his days behind the wheel are done whos' going to his reunion party? I see alot of drivers here at RacersReunion, they are remembered for their driving skills and such,but I sure see alot more being remembered for what kind of person they were. Does he give back to the sport or does he take from it? Are you a David Pearson fan or a Kyle Busch fan? Who's reunion party do want to attend? If you go to KB's you will probably find him in front of the mirror telling himself how great he was.
Tommy Buxton
@tommy-buxton
08/28/09 10:10:16AM
53 posts

Significant milestone for RacersRunion


Uncategorized

We are 104 pictures away from 20,000 pictures posted on this website. That is incredible.I think Jeff Gilder should be recognized for the foresight and vision he had in starting this site.I spend many hours looking through these pictures and would like to personally thank you Jeff for just having a dream,all of the hard work ,time and effort that you put into this.Thank you to everyone that comes here,contributes and follows this site.
updated by @tommy-buxton: 12/03/16 05:48:10PM
Tommy Buxton
@tommy-buxton
12/31/08 01:23:36PM
53 posts

We have lost another,Jimmy Griffin(1935-2008)


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Read where Jimmy Griffin,long time modified and sportsman racer at Ace Speedway and Franklin County Speedway passed away this morning. I remember Jimmy driving the #12 KFC sponsored car. I do not have any pics. maybe Kenny Lang may have some. RIP Jimmy.
updated by @tommy-buxton: 12/03/16 05:48:04PM
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